Is a Parser ever comming?

[Fated]

I don't need a parser to figure out whether you're terrible or not. I want it so I can gauge my specific DPS in varying situations without getting smited by incompetent GMs following stupid rules.

[Nel_Celestine]

I'm really hoping they don't get added ever. Because then people will demand they are used. Once they are demanded they are used people will be judged harshly for not meeting the numbers that only the top raiders have. "Oh well you can get better with practice and gear!" Please, tell me how people will improve with 'practice and gear' if they are kicked from parties for not having super high DPS already. Allowing parsers is allowing a majority of their users to draw lines in the sand and insult everyone who doesn't cross it. Not everyone is the highest Tier BlueGartr level of skill. Not everyone has rotations locked down to milliseconds. Not everyone has every dungeon mechanic, skill, and ability memories categorized and prioritized for maximum DPS / Heals / Tanking / avoiding damage. Not everyone lives in lag free locations. Not everyone uses VPNs. Opening this gate will just lead to more and more outlandish requirements for content based solely on what the top raiding group can accomplish.

If they are added I'll just be forced to deal with them, but I honestly expect that it will get out of control.

[Raenryong]

Guides, videos, training dummies (with parser use!), asking for help.

Do you argue that people are not free to choose who they want to play with, and discriminate based on ability? Why are high skill players/groups obligated to carry lower skill players through content? Everyone should be free to play this game how they wish and with who they wish - this not only applies to casuals but "elitists" too.

[Nel_Celestine]

Guides, videos, training dummies (with parser use!), asking for help.

Do you argue that people are not free to choose who they want to play with, and discriminate based on ability? Why are high skill players/groups obligated to carry lower skill players through content? Everyone should be free to play this game how they wish and with who they wish - this not only applies to casuals but "elitists" too.

I've not once said they should be carried. However I'm expecting that attitude of yours to get worse with parsers. If DPS aren't the absolute best then they are "being carried" if they aren't perfect with rotations they are "being carried." It's stuff like this that are the reasons people don't want the parsers. Because even in your noblest point there are tons of shadows it will cast over the community and basically tear it apart into those who are the parser accepted and those who will be kicked and insulted.

[Raenryong]

I've not once said they should be carried. However I'm expecting that attitude of yours to get worse with parsers. If DPS aren't the absolute best then they are "being carried" if they aren't perfect with rotations they are "being carried." It's stuff like this that are the reasons people don't want the parsers. Because even in your noblest point there are tons of shadows it will cast over the community and basically tear it apart into those who are the parser accepted and those who will be kicked and insulted.

I never said I demanded perfection, but if you're not doing good DPS you are effectively being carried. Nobody is going to complain about someone doing 220-240 DPS, as while it's not fantastic, it is serviceable in all content up to Turn 4. That doesn't require perfection by any means.

Someone who is doing below 180 DPS in Titan EX for instance however is being carried and it would be a boon to the group if they were replaced.

[Ikeda]

Tags for this Thread: elitists repeat begging (Ikeda)



This is exactly why these threads don't last. Even with legitimate feedback such as my attempts of asking for an official self-parser get buried and locked away.

Perhaps if ppl actually read threads and the posts within instead of arguing with others opinions, adding tags that obviously point to reporting the thread, this forum would be a better place.

I did read your thread and said nothing was wrong with a self parser. The tags were directed at the other about 80% or so of the parser enthusiast social "justice" zealots that derailed your thread long before I even said anything in it begging for full parsers. Complain about them not me. Although after thinking more about self parsers there's potential for abuse there too. Wouldn't be surprised to see people constantly announcing their self parse and then demanding everyone else do the same, someone dares to refuse or isn't using a parser and suddenly it's "Oh mah gerd it's a BAD lynch it! *boot*" and then it's basically no different than the crap a full parser would cause.

[Nel_Celestine]

Someone who is doing below 180 DPS in Titan EX for instance however is being carried and it would be a boon to the group if they were replaced.

"Sorry, you suck at your class. Go learn to play before you try content again. Your DPS was only XYZ and you need to be at least ABC because Blue Gartr does it with BCD."


People won't learn if they are just told "Go watch Youtube" and "You suck because parsers told me so." It will just make the game worse.

[Raenryong]

"Sorry, you suck at your class. Go learn to play before you try content again. Your DPS was only XYZ and you need to be at least ABC because Blue Gartr does it with BCD."


People won't learn if they are just told "Go watch Youtube" and "You suck because parsers told me so." It will just make the game worse.

I always just take the group I'm leading out, send a polite tell saying that their DPS is a bit on the low side and ask if they wouldn't mind bowing out, and then if they do so, I'll say they had to go due to real life stuff or whatever.

If your performance is not good enough, you shouldn't expect to be carried through content. I don't see how that makes the game worse. If a tank can't tank to the level required, they should go and improve. If a healer can't heal to the level required, they should go and improve. I don't see why DPS should be an exception.

[Nel_Celestine]

How do they improve on content if they are kicked from said content?

[Raenryong]

Use training dummies and parsers to optimise DPS; practice rotations. Use guides, videos and advice from good players as supplements. Form or join learning parties in PF to practice fight mechanics. You shouldn't join a farm or clear group unless you are at the level required to farm or clear the content.