Is a Parser ever comming?

[ispano]

Well then in that case with the way SE tries to keep everyone "friendly" with the 30 minute lock outs for quitting and no tells in dungeons then they likely know the issues parsers can cause and if they're ever going to allow one it will most likely only work on yourself.

Let me fix that for you. "the issues PLAYERS can cause" Getting tiresome that people blame a tool for what the player does. Always has been and always will be the player. Even if the API is only for UI addons, people will still use external programs, and even if they don't, those people are still going to be that way. Changing what tools they have access too does not change any of that.

Doesn't matter. SE will see the inevitable potential for drama it causes regardless of whether it's the tool or the player. They don't care for your "social justice" you're not some sort of judge you're just another player. Unfortunately for you and other parser enthusiasts due to the plague that is WoW casual players are seen as a bigger source for income and SE doesn't like the potential for casual tears/exclusion leading to lost subscriptions. It's that simple. As far as SE and their wallets are concerned you'll have to get over it.

I think you're mistaken about my intentions. I'm not here to say parsers should or shouldn't be allowed, but when people pump out LIES about them, I will speak up. Same for either side. And yes, Casual players are the larger group of players, then tell me why we have content that said casual players (and I don't mean all of them, some have) have not and/or cannot beat?

ilvl destroyed everything not a parser. parser just makes it worse people get mad you missing that 5 dps a fight.

And I still don't see this, i've done more DF runs than I care to count, and this "attitude" is a rarity in my experience. But let me ask you something, forgetting a parser altogether. If I saw someone in DF, a DD for this example, not performing well, say a BLM only using Blizzard. I try to help this person, but they blow up at the first bit of helpful advice I try to give. So why is it the person trying to help gets punished with having to leave and eat a timer, or sit there and eat wipes? And yes, I've been in this situation before. I will give advice where I see it may be needed. I won't sugarcoat it, but I also won't bash the person either.

[Ikeda]

Let me fix that for you. "the issues PLAYERS can cause" Getting tiresome that people blame a tool for what the player does. Always has been and always will be the player. Even if the API is only for UI addons, people will still use external programs, and even if they don't, those people are still going to be that way. Changing what tools they have access too does not change any of that.

Doesn't matter. SE will see the inevitable potential for drama it causes regardless of whether it's the tool or the player. They don't care for your "social justice" you're not some sort of judge you're just another player. Unfortunately for you and other parser enthusiasts due to the plague that is WoW casual players are seen as a bigger source for income and SE doesn't like the potential for casual tears/exclusion leading to lost subscriptions. It's that simple. As far as SE and their wallets are concerned you'll have to get over it.

[indira]

Doesn't matter. SE will see the inevitable potential for drama it causes regardless of whether it's the tool or the player. They don't care for your "social justice" you're not some sort of judge you're just another player. Unfortunately for you and other parser enthusiasts due to the plague that is WoW casual players are seen as a bigger source for income and SE doesn't like the potential for casual tears/exclusion leading to lost subscriptions. It's that simple. As far as SE and their wallets are concerned you'll have to get over it.

ilvl destroyed everything not a parser. parser just makes it worse people get mad you missing that 5 dps a fight.

[ReplicaX]

Tags for this Thread: elitists repeat begging (Ikeda)

due to the plague that is WoW casual players are seen as a bigger source for income and SE doesn't like the potential for casual tears/exclusion leading to lost subscriptions.

This is exactly why these threads don't last. Even with legitimate feedback such as my attempts of asking for an official self-parser get buried and locked away.

Perhaps if ppl actually read threads and the posts within instead of arguing with others opinions, adding tags that obviously point to reporting the thread, this forum would be a better place.

[Ikeda]

Tags for this Thread: elitists repeat begging (Ikeda)



This is exactly why these threads don't last. Even with legitimate feedback such as my attempts of asking for an official self-parser get buried and locked away.

Perhaps if ppl actually read threads and the posts within instead of arguing with others opinions, adding tags that obviously point to reporting the thread, this forum would be a better place.

I did read your thread and said nothing was wrong with a self parser. The tags were directed at the other about 80% or so of the parser enthusiast social "justice" zealots that derailed your thread long before I even said anything in it begging for full parsers. Complain about them not me. Although after thinking more about self parsers there's potential for abuse there too. Wouldn't be surprised to see people constantly announcing their self parse and then demanding everyone else do the same, someone dares to refuse or isn't using a parser and suddenly it's "Oh mah gerd it's a BAD lynch it! *boot*" and then it's basically no different than the crap a full parser would cause.

[ReplicaX]

I did read your thread and said nothing was wrong with a self parser. The tags were directed at the other about 80% or so of the parser enthusiast social "justice" zealots that derailed your thread long before I even said anything in it begging for full parsers.

It's an example, regardless of topic or individual opinion. Taking advantage of forum mod/rules to bring down a thread is detrimental and counterproductive coming from all sides/parties of a topic.

Although after thinking more about self parsers there's potential for abuse there too.

How far would you like to go regarding abuse in general while punishing/restricting legitimate players?

If a player is going that far to be abusive, regardless of how small the conduit is, its the player, that individual's personal attitude and they should be dealt with. That is what TOS/User Agreement Enforcement is for.

[Ikeda]

How far would you like to go regarding abuse in general while punishing/restricting legitimate players?

If a player is going that far to be abusive, regardless of how small the conduit is, its the player, that individual's personal attitude and they should be dealt with. That is what TOS/User Agreement Enforcement is for.

Here's what you don't seem to get. Regardless of whether it's the tool or the player SE doesn't care. That's why they don't allow tells at all in dungeons rather than allowing them and just ban abusive players that get reported and punish early quitters with a 30 minute dungeon lock out. Anything that they see as a threat or something that can upset what they see as their biggest source of income (casuals) they're just going to avoid entirely. Same reason dungeons and boss fights get dumbed down with every update. You can scream the positive uses of parsers to the ends of the earth but because of its massive potential for abuse whether they're only self parsers or party parsers they're just going to avoid it entirely. It's just the way they run things.

[EasymodeX]

Anything that they see as a threat or something that can upset what they see as their biggest source of income (casuals) they're just going to avoid entirely.

^^

This.

I agree that this thread is pointless. SE's decision-making on the matter doesn't change regardless of any legitimate uses of the parser, or how effective parsers are for players.

External parsers will still exist and will still function either way.

The pure irony of this thread is that even if an in-game parser were introduced, I still wouldn't use it because current external parsers are so good.

[ReplicaX]

Here's what you don't seem to get. Regardless of whether it's the tool or the player SE doesn't care.

I get it well Ikeda, as a player that has invested over 11yrs with SE MMOs. You bring up past practices, so please explain the implementation of ilvl avg brought by SE and PF with an option to set it. As many out of that biggest source of income claim massive abuse with it.

To be clear, I didn't start this thread as well. Only added my opinion of something else and I'm not like others that will continue to drag this thread out as now it is far beyond the point of purpose.