Is a Parser ever comming?

[indira]

If it's a DF run, yes. If it's a premade, then they can kick you for any reason. If they think you're underperforming, even without a parser, they can kick you.

wheres it say that?

[ispano]

wheres it say that?

It's always been that way, the harassment "clause" if you will, has applied to vote kicking, which can only be done in DF runs. If it's a premade, they all leave and kick you, that's always been allowed. Because it's their group, not a random one where you had no choice in the matter.

Because otherwise, someone could join your group and proceed to cause wipes, should they not be able to remove them because they are hindering the group? As a leader of a group, you get to choose who gets to be in your party, and who gets removed if needed.

DF = duty finder, random. PF = party finder, premade your rules apply.

That's what I just said....

[indira]

It's always been that way, the harassment "clause" if you will, has applied to vote kicking, which can only be done in DF runs. If it's a premade, they all leave and kick you, that's always been allowed. Because it's their group, not a random one where you had no choice in the matter.

DF = duty finder, random. PF = party finder, premade your rules apply.

[Ikeda]

if you get kicked for not doing that extra damage its harassment report the people that kicked you. even if its a legal parser they still cant treat you like crap.
we still dont know the rules on add ons yet.

Wrong they said add ons are illegal a long time ago and it's in the ToS. Yoshi knows the "use" for parsers but he can't officially condone them because of the ToS. He essentially said if you're going to use a parser don't be stupid and announce it to anyone because they'll have to ban you if you're reported.

[indira]

Wrong they said add ons are illegal a long time ago and it's in the ToS. Yoshi knows the "use" for parsers but he can't officially condone them because of the ToS. He essentially said if you're going to use a parser don't be stupid and announce it to anyone because they'll have to ban you if you're reported.

im talking about if addons were to allow parsers, not the current one out now.

[ispano]

Wrong they said add ons are illegal a long time ago and it's in the ToS. Yoshi knows the "use" for parsers but he can't officially condone them because of the ToS. He essentially said if you're going to use a parser don't be stupid and announce it to anyone because they'll have to ban you if you're reported.

No, he means they're going to add an API for add ons. Like WoW has, this was said a loooooong time ago. As in, in game add ons, not third party apps that exist now.

[Ikeda]

No, he means they're going to add an API for add ons. Like WoW has, this was said a loooooong time ago. As in, in game add ons, not third party apps that exist now.

Well then in that case with the way SE tries to keep everyone "friendly" with the 30 minute lock outs for quitting and no tells in dungeons then they likely know the issues parsers can cause and if they're ever going to allow one it will most likely only work on yourself.

[ispano]

Well then in that case with the way SE tries to keep everyone "friendly" with the 30 minute lock outs for quitting and no tells in dungeons then they likely know the issues parsers can cause and if they're ever going to allow one it will most likely only work on yourself.

Let me fix that for you. "the issues PLAYERS can cause" Getting tiresome that people blame a tool for what the player does. Always has been and always will be the player. Even if the API is only for UI addons, people will still use external programs, and even if they don't, those people are still going to be that way. Changing what tools they have access too does not change any of that.

Doesn't matter. SE will see the inevitable potential for drama it causes regardless of whether it's the tool or the player. They don't care for your "social justice" you're not some sort of judge you're just another player. Unfortunately for you and other parser enthusiasts due to the plague that is WoW casual players are seen as a bigger source for income and SE doesn't like the potential for casual tears/exclusion leading to lost subscriptions. It's that simple. As far as SE and their wallets are concerned you'll have to get over it.

I think you're mistaken about my intentions. I'm not here to say parsers should or shouldn't be allowed, but when people pump out LIES about them, I will speak up. Same for either side. And yes, Casual players are the larger group of players, then tell me why we have content that said casual players (and I don't mean all of them, some have) have not and/or cannot beat?

ilvl destroyed everything not a parser. parser just makes it worse people get mad you missing that 5 dps a fight.

And I still don't see this, i've done more DF runs than I care to count, and this "attitude" is a rarity in my experience. But let me ask you something, forgetting a parser altogether. If I saw someone in DF, a DD for this example, not performing well, say a BLM only using Blizzard. I try to help this person, but they blow up at the first bit of helpful advice I try to give. So why is it the person trying to help gets punished with having to leave and eat a timer, or sit there and eat wipes? And yes, I've been in this situation before. I will give advice where I see it may be needed. I won't sugarcoat it, but I also won't bash the person either.

[NintenPyjak64]

Well then in that case with the way SE tries to keep everyone "friendly" with the 30 minute lock outs for quitting and no tells in dungeons then they likely know the issues parsers can cause and if they're ever going to allow one it will most likely only work on yourself.

The only real issue I see with parsers is when they do more then parse and people use them to cheat, which is exactly what happened to the several teams of people that "cleared" T8 leaving only 2 parties, and had SE post that Lodestone topic basically saying parsers are no longer allowed. Other then that there will be no issue.

If somebody's harassing you about your DPS, report them and move on.
If somebody's trying to help you with your DPS, listen, debate (friendly), improve and move on.
If somebody kicks you for your DPS, report and move on, or simply move on (depending on if it's DF or PF)

[Ikeda]

Let me fix that for you. "the issues PLAYERS can cause" Getting tiresome that people blame a tool for what the player does. Always has been and always will be the player. Even if the API is only for UI addons, people will still use external programs, and even if they don't, those people are still going to be that way. Changing what tools they have access too does not change any of that.

Doesn't matter. SE will see the inevitable potential for drama it causes regardless of whether it's the tool or the player. They don't care for your "social justice" you're not some sort of judge you're just another player. Unfortunately for you and other parser enthusiasts due to the plague that is WoW casual players are seen as a bigger source for income and SE doesn't like the potential for casual tears/exclusion leading to lost subscriptions. It's that simple. As far as SE and their wallets are concerned you'll have to get over it.