Is a Parser ever comming?

[Ikeda]

You don't need a freaking parser. There's practically one in the game already. There's aggro numbers by player's names in the party list during combat. If you have a 2 by your name you're either a off tank or doing the most dps and the numbers go down in that order. /thread

[ispano]

You don't need a freaking parser. There's practically one in the game already. There's aggro numbers by player's names in the party list during combat. If you have a 2 by your name you're either a off tank or doing the most dps and the numbers go down in that order. /thread

The enmity meter is a poor way to judge overall dps. Especially with enmity reducing abilities, or an undergeared tank, and so on.

[NintenPyjak64]

You don't need a freaking parser. There's practically one in the game already. There's aggro numbers by player's names in the party list during combat. If you have a 2 by your name you're either a off tank or doing the most dps and the numbers go down in that order. /thread

There's moves to drop enmity like Shroud of Saints or Elusive Jump, on top of a skill that reduces generated enmity per attack, Quelling Strikes. The enmity bar is unreliable for looking to see who isn't and is pulling weight, unless they're the tank and aren't generating enough enmity to hold hate. Before Echo the required DPS in T4 for Dreadnaughts was 200-220 DPS, That enmity bar won't tell you "This person is doing X DPS and this person's doing Y DPS" Let's say a terrible player is spamming the ever living hell out of their skills, using them in such a fashion that they're losing massive DPS generates as much enmity as a player who has a perfect rotation, but used Quelling Strikes. Would you say the player who used Quelling is a bad player or the terrible player is actually a good player?

They generate just as much enmity as the same amount of damage from another source. The problem is that the combat log doesn't record DoT damage.

Rephrasing the point I'm trying to get across. (please don't look at this as an attack to you)

[ispano]

Summoner doesn't have that luxury since DoTs don't generate that much enmity, plus there's moves to drop enmity like Shroud of Saints or Elusive Jump, on top of a skill that reduces generated enmity per attack. The enmity bar is unreliable for looking to see who isn't and is pulling weight

They generate just as much enmity as the same amount of damage from another source. The problem is that the combat log doesn't record DoT damage.

[BMihawk]

They generate just as much enmity as the same amount of damage from another source. The problem is that the combat log doesn't record DoT damage.

Really ? So what if there are not exactly accurate. Are you telling us that the amount of DPS the person is doing is actually way more than the actual parse results ? Well, its understandable most of the times if your DPS is not TOP but is among the average but what if your DPS is way lacking the actual numbers your suppose to be doing (minimum). For instance, in T5, even with the echo buffs, how much should a person be doing? I do 300DPS+ on my monk depending on RNG. I saw a Bard do 300DPS+ as well. The only one lacking on DPS in T5 is definately blackmage. But no way, ever, should anyone be doing less than 220 with the echo buffs. That is when DPS gets called out. Its so obvious without even a parser. BAD dps should be called out, just as BAD tanks and healers are being thrown into the flame if they are not doing what they are suppose to do.

[ispano]

Really ? So what if there are not exactly accurate. Are you telling us that the amount of DPS the person is doing is actually way more than the actual parse results ? Well, its understandable most of the times if your DPS is not TOP but is among the average but what if your DPS is way lacking the actual numbers your suppose to be doing (minimum). For instance, in T5, even with the echo buffs, how much should a person be doing? I do 300DPS+ on my monk depending on RNG. I saw a Bard do 300DPS+ as well. The only one lacking on DPS in T5 is definately blackmage. But no way, ever, should anyone be doing less than 220 with the echo buffs. That is when DPS gets called out. Its so obvious without even a parser. BAD dps should be called out, just as BAD tanks and healers are being thrown into the flame if they are not doing what they are suppose to do.

Yes, any amount of damage creates the same amount of enmity, outside of enmity modifiers, like the modifiers tanks have on their skills, and Quelling strikes as examples.

Some of the current parsers estimate, which is what they all did originally for DoT damage. The ones I believe people tend to use more often will actually check the values in memory. Now it won't be able to tell you how much each individual DoT did, since the game lumps them altogether as one number, but it would be the correct numbers. So whichever these are, are fairly accurate.

Also accuracy is important with something like this. Secondly, it's not always obvious which DD is falling behind. In some cases, yes it is easy to see, but not in all cases since if it looks like they're doing everything right, but aren't, you won't see it.

[Gilraen]

Really ? ... BAD dps should be called out, just as BAD tanks and healers are being thrown into the flame if they are not doing what they are suppose to do.

Thank you for illustrating the point alot of us are making about the potential misuse of parsers. We don't need to be 'calling out' people like they are some kind of disease, you should give tips and suggestions and then move on. If they ask for more advice then oblige, but leave the 'calling out' at home. Do your yelling at the TV or monitor. This is a community, act like it.

[Raenryong]

Thank you for illustrating the point alot of us are making about the potential misuse of parsers. We don't need to be 'calling out' people like they are some kind of disease, you should give tips and suggestions and then move on. If they ask for more advice then oblige, but leave the 'calling out' at home. Do your yelling at the TV or monitor. This is a community, act like it.

If you join a party finder group and woefully unperform, is it not wrong to call them out?

If it is, then I hope you wouldn't call out a tank who comes to your EX Primal party and doesn't keep threat, or perform the tank swaps, potentially with low HP and uses his/her stances wrongly. I hope you wouldn't complain about a healer who only spams their basic cure spell. Bad tanks and healers are called out and replaced; why should bad DPS be exempt?

[Gilraen]

If you join a party finder group and woefully unperform, is it not wrong to call them out?

If it is, then I hope you wouldn't call out a tank who comes to your EX Primal party and doesn't keep threat, or perform the tank swaps, potentially with low HP and uses his/her stances wrongly. I hope you wouldn't complain about a healer who only spams their basic cure spell. Bad tanks and healers are called out and replaced; why should bad DPS be exempt?

Another thing I love in these discussions is the rampant ignorance of Duty Finder. You know, some people still use it and act like it's just a more random Party Finder, right? I've had alot of Duty Finder Wanderers runs where the tank takes off like it's a speed run only to die because noone else was expecting it. In a Party Finder situation you can make all the demands you want because you have the time to do it, but Party Finder isn't the only way to get into an instance.

[NovaUltimatum]

Bad tanks and healers are called out and replaced; why should bad DPS be exempt?

Do you think replacing those members who you believe are under-performing is the best solution to the reason you can't get past content, or do you try to give useful feedback on how they can improve first?