Is a Parser ever comming?

[ispano]

Well then in that case with the way SE tries to keep everyone "friendly" with the 30 minute lock outs for quitting and no tells in dungeons then they likely know the issues parsers can cause and if they're ever going to allow one it will most likely only work on yourself.

Let me fix that for you. "the issues PLAYERS can cause" Getting tiresome that people blame a tool for what the player does. Always has been and always will be the player. Even if the API is only for UI addons, people will still use external programs, and even if they don't, those people are still going to be that way. Changing what tools they have access too does not change any of that.

Doesn't matter. SE will see the inevitable potential for drama it causes regardless of whether it's the tool or the player. They don't care for your "social justice" you're not some sort of judge you're just another player. Unfortunately for you and other parser enthusiasts due to the plague that is WoW casual players are seen as a bigger source for income and SE doesn't like the potential for casual tears/exclusion leading to lost subscriptions. It's that simple. As far as SE and their wallets are concerned you'll have to get over it.

I think you're mistaken about my intentions. I'm not here to say parsers should or shouldn't be allowed, but when people pump out LIES about them, I will speak up. Same for either side. And yes, Casual players are the larger group of players, then tell me why we have content that said casual players (and I don't mean all of them, some have) have not and/or cannot beat?

ilvl destroyed everything not a parser. parser just makes it worse people get mad you missing that 5 dps a fight.

And I still don't see this, i've done more DF runs than I care to count, and this "attitude" is a rarity in my experience. But let me ask you something, forgetting a parser altogether. If I saw someone in DF, a DD for this example, not performing well, say a BLM only using Blizzard. I try to help this person, but they blow up at the first bit of helpful advice I try to give. So why is it the person trying to help gets punished with having to leave and eat a timer, or sit there and eat wipes? And yes, I've been in this situation before. I will give advice where I see it may be needed. I won't sugarcoat it, but I also won't bash the person either.

[NintenPyjak64]

Well then in that case with the way SE tries to keep everyone "friendly" with the 30 minute lock outs for quitting and no tells in dungeons then they likely know the issues parsers can cause and if they're ever going to allow one it will most likely only work on yourself.

The only real issue I see with parsers is when they do more then parse and people use them to cheat, which is exactly what happened to the several teams of people that "cleared" T8 leaving only 2 parties, and had SE post that Lodestone topic basically saying parsers are no longer allowed. Other then that there will be no issue.

If somebody's harassing you about your DPS, report them and move on.
If somebody's trying to help you with your DPS, listen, debate (friendly), improve and move on.
If somebody kicks you for your DPS, report and move on, or simply move on (depending on if it's DF or PF)

[Nekodar]

No, he means they're going to add an API for add ons. Like WoW has, this was said a loooooong time ago. As in, in game add ons, not third party apps that exist now.

When Yoshi mentioned an add-on API he did say UI add-on...
Dps numbers may be exposed through such an API but it's unlikely...
Hate level, HP/MP for all party members... TP (own only or all party)... things like that are what we can expect to be exposed...

[PixelPirate]

It's hilarious to me that all the parsing min/maxers I currently know in this game -- actually fail just as much as my casual group of friends. When they fail, it immediately turns into a blame game and inevitably the weak dps'ers get called out. When we fail, we say things like "better luck next time" or "hey, we're making progress."

All of the guys I know who are parsing everything, are miserable. They hate people in general and they only have fun if they're "winning". Meanwhile, without the use of a parser mind you, my casual group is getting just about the same number of "wins" while actually having fun and enjoying the company of our friends.

As a side note, I don't believe I've ever witnessed a parser being used constructively. Not. Even. Once...

[ispano]

It's hilarious to me that all the parsing min/maxers I currently know in this game -- actually fail just as much as my casual group of friends. When they fail, it immediately turns into a blame game and inevitably the weak dps'ers get called out. When we fail, we say things like "better luck next time" or "hey, we're making progress."

All of the guys I know who are parsing everything, are miserable. They hate people in general and they only have fun if they're "winning". Meanwhile, without the use of a parser mind you, my casual group is getting just about the same number of "wins" while actually having fun and enjoying the company of our friends.

As a side note, I don't believe I've ever witnessed a parser being used constructively. Not. Even. Once...

And i've experienced the opposite. I know many people that use them to improve themselves and their groups. In games other than this as well. Also the two comments you quoted, those are sometimes more harmful than people think. Those words could be harmful to some when things are going wrong that could be fixed, even if you don't intend them to be. To me it's sugar coating something that doesn't need sugar coating. We know if we're failing or not, and we work to fix it. And me and those people I know, aren't miserable either.

Just another side to your coin.

[ReplicaX]

And i've experienced the opposite. I know many people that use them to improve themselves and their groups.

^ Sad that this needs to be said. It's shown all over the "Roles" forums and there is plenty of positive threads in there for player self-improvement. From tuned rotations, specific fights, and gear builds. To say parsers weren't involved in any of that is a lie.

As stated before, I see more ppl just leave in PF/DF if someone can't dodge/heal/tank/DPS check than resort to grieving a player or help that player. If the player continues to show no improvement the one helping if anything just gives up and leaves. Both my FCs have never expressed grief from someone with a parser since launch.

[Elvin]

Come on. No one will get mad for someone doing a 2% less damage
The problem is that there's a lot of players out there who do 30-50% less damage than the ones with most DPS, (And without sing or anithing) there's people who usually do less damage than his tanks on a fight and they think they're doing it right. I found a BLM once that was using always Blizzard I and III, and when asked why he said that using fire made him run out of mana...And when tryed to explain it he told me to shut up. That people needs something to tell them they're doing it wrong.


If that people have a problem with it being saw, well... They shoud do something to changue it. Someone told me my DPS on Titan EM and I was a bit surprised with how low it was. Did I report him for harrasment or something? Of course not. I tryed to improve it, and in fact asked him to come with me a few times more later on. In the end I know that overall I can do it better as a DRG on Titan, but I can also do it better now as a BLM, and I woudn't have improved If I didn't know that it was that low.

I woud like to have a parser ingame, no doubts. And if anyone thinks that it will make "miserable" people kick others or harras or whatever, it's easy. Just let the ingame parser only work on premade groups. And maybe for yourself on DF.
But we shoud have some kind of 1 player tutorial with some fights that tell you "You DPS shoud be, with you ilvl, above xxx". To make people learnt a bit his class. At least to try to minimice the extreme cases. There's a lot of people out there who think they're doing it fine and that have no idea of his job...

[NovaUltimatum]

I agree that an official self-dps display function should be added, I don't see how that could be used for abuse unless people got to the point of demanding screenshots of other player's self-dps results. As for the matter of group result parsing it's ultimately down to SE providing the log data of how much damage other member's in your party are doing. Why do they even need to provide that anyway?

[magdahmhara]

The only problem I have with dps meters is my experience coming from WoW. It's not the raiders who use them it's people in the lower level instances. It's ridiculous to see meter spam in a level 20 instance and people voting to kick because one person is doing 'unacceptable' dps. If the meters could 'only' be used by raid guilds to improve their teams performance that would be great. Unfortunately, they will be used by people that don't really understand 'how' to use them. It happened in WoW, first with gear score then with recount. You get the 'wannabes' using them as a be all end all. It's sad but true, there is nothing that can be done to stop ignorant people from abusing meters.

[Raenryong]

I don't think anyone is arguing that people shouldn't be kicked from duty finder groups unless they are utterly incapable of performing their job. However, what is the problem with the use of group performance analytical tools in party finder groups (which is the norm for serious content where performance is actually important, since dungeons are faceroll)?