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    Player
    ReplicaX's Avatar
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    Methos Ranperre
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    Jenova
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ikeda View Post
    The simple fact is the game is overly easy as it is, the community's already toxic enough because of the self centered WoW crowd the solo leveling and duty finder attracts. We don't need parsers to make it radioactive.
    How would an official addon parser be an illegal 3rd party program, nevermind you don't care to read even the title of the thread.

    You obviously blame WoW. An official self-parser adds nothing toxic to the community.
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    Tymora Estrellauta
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    Have it parse only your own damage then?
    Good for self improvement and no one will be able to look at yours until you want to share it.
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    Serefina Solfyre
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    Sargatanas
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by tymora View Post
    Have it parse only your own damage then?
    Good for self improvement and no one will be able to look at yours until you want to share it.
    That wouldn't solve the issue of assessing and removing bad DPS. DPS players need to be held accountable for their performance too.
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    Gilraen Bior
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    Midgardsormr
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    Archer Lv 70
    The problem with parsers and players and the argument of "just don't play with them" can be summed up in two words.

    Duty Finder

    You can't pick who you play with in Duty Finder, especially if you're doing Roulettes (for now). I mean, it's bad enough when Roulette drops you in one of those 'one room' dungeon parties. You're all set to trounce the first boss after having swept the whole of the first room and suddenly loading screen out of nowhere. With parsers you could wind up seeing vote-to-kicks every 5 minutes because you're not performing 'to spec'. Heaven forbid you learned how to read the enmity meters and know when to pace yourself. No, this generation expects you to pour on the damage while using enmity-mitigation moves every time their recasts are up. I've seen people playing like that, they tended to steal hate alot. As many have said, including myself, parsers will ultimately promote caustic behavior and we don't need that.
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    Serefina Solfyre
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    It would be better if groups differentiated based on DPS rather than ilevel, because a good player with moderate ilevel (70+) can pull 250+ dps on any DPS class. Good players will be admitted to groups more readily with DPS requirements than ilevel requirements.

    DPS is also what is important, not ilevel.

    @the above post: most people won't kick you in duty finder for bad DPS. Party finder, yes, but duty finder, no - you take what you can get.

    Also if a DPS is constantly taking threat from a tank, the tank is in 99% cases at fault. Tank enmity generation ability in this game is extremely high.
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    Melfina Amastacia
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    Excalibur
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    Lancer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Raenryong View Post
    Also if a DPS is constantly taking threat from a tank, the tank is in 99% cases at fault. Tank enmity generation ability in this game is extremely high.
    Not in all cases. There are cases where you can go all out with JUST your enmity abilities and the DD still creep up on you. This is more prevalent at lower levels however. Or when you have two DD doing different things, like one doing heavy aoe and one heavy single target.
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    Soi Fong
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    Ragnarok
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    If I remember right DCUO's 'parser' displayed information at the end of the dungeon. Or that might've just been PVP...hard to remember.
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    Evercy Warclan
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    Leviathan
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    Warrior Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by KoujiMoreno View Post
    If I remember right DCUO's 'parser' displayed information at the end of the dungeon. Or that might've just been PVP...hard to remember.
    Our PvP displays total damage dealt so SE does have the capability to do exactly as you say, but they aren't doing it
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    Kat Fuzzington
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    Goblin
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    Archer Lv 73
    Could anyone tell even one "non-mean" way a parser will be used? Is any group just gonna be like:

    "Oh, player C did the least damage this round. Cool to know! Now let's continue without kicking him."
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    Ria Lhuil
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    Exodus
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Kat_Manx View Post
    Could anyone tell even one "non-mean" way a parser will be used? Is any group just gonna be like:

    "Oh, player C did the least damage this round. Cool to know! Now let's continue without kicking him."
    If a group downs a boss with no issues, unless the disparity between the highest dps and lowest dps is just incredible, it's unlikely anything will happen to that low dps.

    Parsers can be used constructively. If you are pulling lower numbers than that player playing the same class with nearly equal gear, then there's something wrong going on, and you can use that as a motivator to look up help or ask someone in your FC for help.

    You'll find, however, fewer players are willing to use this information in a constructive manner, because the likelihood of a player blowing their top and getting incredibly defensive over it is high. The "I play the way I want to" crowd has made the community just as toxic.
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