Is a Parser ever comming?

[Raenryong]

Enmity bars are

a. relative - you can't see your overall raid dps, you can only "see" each member's. Also burst vs sustained looks different.
b. difficult to judge - subject to human error unlike raw numbers
c. limited in what information they convey - you can't pick up on errors in rotation and whatnot
d. restricted to the fight - you cannot assess the information afterwards and
e. detrimental to performance as attention is required during a battle to watch them.

Enmity bars are far inferior to parsers.

[Chasely]

Enmity bars are far inferior to parsers.

And third-party tools are a crutch for lazy players who want to easy mode the entire game. Parsers are not used to self-improvement. They're used to alienate others. And they do not take into account dodging, killing adds, DoTs, pets, etc. People with area effect skills can also pad their numbers by spamming. They promote laziness in players who would rather stand in one place and spam their rotations rather than dodging attacks (which would lower their DPS scores). They undermine the entire basis of the way this game is played.

[Mitternacht]

What magical land did you people raid in where parsers didn't lead to DPS tunnel vision or people harassing people because they couldn't actually read the parse correctly because you know people might be doing stuff like killing adds instead of trying to pad their numbers on the boss.

I'm ambivalent about the implementation of a parser either provided in the UI or being something that is possible with an addon API, but I'm not under any delusions that parsers don't encourage negative behavior.

[Raenryong]

Parsers are not used to self-improvement.

Yes they are.

They're used to alienate others.

Only incompatible people.

And they do not take into account dodging, killing adds, DoTs, pets, etc.

Yes they do.

To elaborate briefly; you can sort by number of deaths and by damage taken. You can see damage on individual adds and separate by participant. DoTs and pets are included.

People with area effect skills can also pad their numbers by spamming.

And you can account for this.

[NintenPyjak64]

And third-party tools are a crutch for lazy players who want to easy mode the entire game. Parsers are not used to self-improvement. They're used to alienate others. And they do not take into account dodging, killing adds, DoTs, pets, etc. People with area effect skills can also pad their numbers by spamming. They promote laziness in players who would rather stand in one place and spam their rotations rather than dodging attacks (which would lower their DPS scores). They undermine the entire basis of the way this game is played.

Example: So me using a parser on training dummies as a MNK to improve my rotation, then use it again while I test it out in an actual dungeon is making me a lazy player?
If a DPS player is good, their downtime on a boss will be very minimal. I can dodge repelling shots, piecing lasers, ballasts and all that as MNK in T2 and still keep up DPS, if not surpass, players who play ranged classes.

[Ikeda]

The simple fact is the game is overly easy as it is, the community's already toxic enough because of the self centered WoW crowd the solo leveling and duty finder attracts. We don't need parsers to make it radioactive. No matter how much you scream "it's for self improvement" either the majority or the most noticeable amount of people just use it to harass people. This is also a repeat thread and Yoshi already said a long time ago he can't officially condone parsers because that would open the doors for other much worse 3rd party programs and because it's against the ToS. So again I say /thread.

[ispano]

And third-party tools are a crutch for lazy players who want to easy mode the entire game. Parsers are not used to self-improvement. They're used to alienate others. And they do not take into account dodging, killing adds, DoTs, pets, etc. People with area effect skills can also pad their numbers by spamming. They promote laziness in players who would rather stand in one place and spam their rotations rather than dodging attacks (which would lower their DPS scores). They undermine the entire basis of the way this game is played.

Sorry, this is wrong. It's just a tool nothing more, it always has been and always will be, the players causing the abuse. Good players know that some people will be lower or higher based on what they need to do in the fight. It's not a crutch when it just shows you already available information in an easier to read format.

So, again, you are wrong.

[Raenryong]

The simple fact is the game is overly easy as it is, the community's already toxic enough because of the self centered WoW crowd the solo leveling and duty finder attracts. We don't need parsers to make it radioactive. No matter how much you scream "it's for self improvement" either the majority or the most noticeable amount of people just use it to harass people. This is also a repeat thread and Yoshi already said a long time ago he can't officially condone parsers because that would open the doors for other much worse 3rd party programs and because it's against the ToS. So again I say /thread.

I've been in games where parsing is commonplace and haven't seen this toxicity. Unless you count kicking bad players from premade groups which require high dps as toxic.

[ispano]

What magical land did you people raid in where parsers didn't lead to DPS tunnel vision or people harassing people because they couldn't actually read the parse correctly because you know people might be doing stuff like killing adds instead of trying to pad their numbers on the boss.

I'm ambivalent about the implementation of a parser either provided in the UI or being something that is possible with an addon API, but I'm not under any delusions that parsers don't encourage negative behavior.

Ones with competent and intelligent players?

[Chasely]

And you can account for this.

Yeah. The healers will love those players anyway. Gotta pad their heals parses.

I'm sure you're incredibly "skilled," what with needing third party programs to help you play a game that tells you exactly where to go and what to do, but there's really no need for most players to bother with parsers or anything else.