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    rhemi1's Avatar
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    Ria Lhuil
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    Exodus
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by XNihili View Post
    I could also be a external factor. As a healer, I'm not sure I really enjoy a DPS that is strictly sticking to his cycle and eating all the AOE so he could be the king of the ring.
    You do 0 DPS while dead. Unless the boss requires extremely strict dps requirements, any DPS sitting in aoes to pad meters would probably stop getting healed, die, then removed from the party afterwards.

    Let's stop trying to stick our heads in the sand and ignore potential constructive uses of parsers because stupid people exist. We wouldn't get anywhere as a civilization if we stopped doing something because stupid people exist.
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    Aria Placida
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    Lamia
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    Ninja Lv 88
    Quote Originally Posted by XNihili View Post
    I could also be a external factor. As a healer, I'm not sure I really enjoy a DPS that is strictly sticking to his cycle and eating all the AOE so he could be the king of the ring.
    Someone didn't read my giant post about how parsers also show incoming damage. If 1 DD has way more incoming damage than another, ask them what they think they're doing. Or just, y'know, stop healing him until he gets the point. >_>

    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemight View Post
    Takes BRD for example, you may be parsed at 250 DPS in T5, but if you didnt do your CD correctly, you still can not break out people in conflag. This is a scenario I have seen in last night's T5 progression party. His overall DPS is up to par, but he did grief mistake when handling conflag, because he would always dot conflag with venom and frostbite before his other CDs.

    Did parser reflects everything in this scenario? I seriously doubt that. Parser is only abe to give you a general idea of where you are at, but it can not reflect all the details.
    Parsers have an option to show outgoing damage done by target, or incoming damage done by player. So, yes, if you know where to look, the parser did probably include this info.
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    Last edited by Viridiana; 04-15-2014 at 05:10 AM.

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    Lemon Nate
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    I agree that a parser would do more harm than good. Like other people have said, it's hard to tell which DPS is needing advice when you don't meet the DPS check. However, it also gives people reasons to belittle others. I'm guilty of that myself sometimes. The differences do come from players skills the most. Gear might change it a little bit but the difference between a good and a bad DPS is that extra miles they went to get the numbers in like moving out of bombs at the right time to not get hit and still do damage or dps the spumes while dodging dives.

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    Don Elreed
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    Excalibur
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    Archer Lv 50
    In WoW I used those dps parsers and were very useful, when I saw someone of my same class with the same gear that I had beat me in dps by a lot I would ask him about his rotations and would check his skill tree, so next time I would be on the same ground, I didn't found too many players that would harass you for doing low dps, most of the people helped me getting better.
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    Conjurer Lv 66
    We live in an age where telling someone they need to step it up is considered "harassment"

    I weep for the future.
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    Ikeda Komori
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moheeheeko View Post
    We live in an age where telling someone they need to step it up is considered "harassment"

    I weep for the future.
    It's all dependent on the way you say it. Say it one way and it's constructive criticism, say it the way certain people in this thread say it and it may as well be harassment with how hostile they are about it. You also have to remember alot of people seem to have VERY fragile egos these days and will think of it as harassment regardless of how you say it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikeda View Post
    You also have to remember alot of people seem to have VERY fragile egos these days and will think of it as harassment regardless of how you say it.
    That was my point, and that group seems to be the majority of XIV players.
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    Ultima Implosion
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    You know what I do when I get kicked from a party due to my poor performance? I move on; join another party or just take a break. This is something you're going to have to learn to get over eventually when doing anything with other people. Unless you have the ability to select who you play with (which you do) you're going to run into toxic people sooner or later so just learn to deal with it. This applies to many other areas outside gaming such as the internet, group projects, gatherings, jobs, etc. Having a useful tool not be allowed because some people can't handle being told they need improvement is punishing everyone for the problems of the few.

    If you are actually being harassed after being parsed: blacklist the person, report them, and leave the group.
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    Evercy Warclan
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    Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by SockPoo View Post
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    Well said /10char
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    Doki Waku
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    Faerie
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    Warrior Lv 100
    The only upside I can see to an official parser is that it would, in theory, track all DPS/HPS 100% accurately.
    I could get behind a parser that just displayed your personal data, and kept it hidden from others, or left it's visibility to others as something optional.
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