Crafter=Botter (90%)

[Arch_Blegan]

Zephir is making more sense than everyone else who's trying to misrepresent his point of view. I'll sum it up for all the self righteous snobs here who think they're better:

He's saying that a real friend wouldn't sit back and let their friend do something that would cause themselves (or others) harm. What's wrong with that?

[Rjain]

He's saying that a real friend wouldn't sit back and let their friend do something that would cause themselves (or others) harm. What's wrong with that?

Naw he's saying if a friend breaks the law he'll handle it even in the case of a trivial problem.

[Arch_Blegan]

Naw he's saying if a friend breaks the law he'll handle it even in the case of a trivial problem.

If that's what you got out of it, then it appears you have a literacy problem.

[Rjain]

If that's what you got out of it, then it appears you have a literacy problem.

Better a literacy problem than a narrowminded cynicism problem like yourself.

Why do you care what he says anyway? You're the one that said yourself... ahem...

You're a fool if you believe friendship in today's day in age means much.

Edit: Don't forget the grammar problem there Mr. Literacy.

[TonyMontana]

Zephir is making more sense than everyone else who's trying to misrepresent his point of view. I'll sum it up for all the self righteous snobs here who think they're better:

He's saying that a real friend wouldn't sit back and let their friend do something that would cause themselves (or others) harm. What's wrong with that?

Ever had a friend who smoked or maybe an over weight friend, or maybe a friend who speeds in his car? All of those things can kill you if my friends do them I dont stop being friends with them, that would just be stupid.

[Arch_Blegan]

Ever had a friend who smoked or maybe an over weight friend, or maybe a friend who speeds in his car? All of those things can kill you if my friends do them I dont stop being friends with them, that would just be stupid.

If something grows out of the ground, I don't see why it can't be consumed excluding poisonous plants of course; I don't associate with the morbidly obese; I only speak up if the person driving also happens to be dumb.

You people are generalizing everything to make it simple for yourselves to understand. You jump to polar ends because it's easier for you to make your points without having to take the time to think about your stance. The bottom line here is that cleptos (what's actually being discussed) have no ethics and I wouldn't associate myself with them and anyone who would is a fool.

[Krausus]

Zephir is making more sense than everyone else who's trying to misrepresent his point of view. I'll sum it up for all the self righteous snobs here who think they're better:

He's saying that a real friend wouldn't sit back and let their friend do something that would cause themselves (or others) harm. What's wrong with that?

because he is associating this logic with botters, while at the same time making ridiculous accusations of saying 90% of crafters that have multiple 50s are botters.

[Arch_Blegan]

because he is associating this logic with botters, while at the same time making ridiculous accusations of saying 90% of crafters that have multiple 50s are botters.

I took it as a hyperbole, all the wise-guys out there took it literally. Bots ruin the game and if you've ever played an online FPS you know first hand how infuriating it is when someone uses a bot.

[Krausus]

I took it as a hyperbole, all the wise-guys out there took it literally. Bots ruin the game and if you've ever played an online FPS you know first hand how infuriating it is when someone uses a bot.

the type of bots you are referring to are not the same type of bots that are in FFXIV, bots in FPS give combat advantages that have a direct negative effect on other players, where as bots in FFXIV just screw up the economy. Though I agree bots are bad for any game and punishment should be applied to those using them I would hardly compare the use of bots to that of criminal activity and then make statements that not only a majority but an astounding amount of the majority (an extreme amount of hyperbole) take advantage of said bots. I personally believe that a small minority use bots.

PS: hyperbole IMO is the worst thing for any MMO I have seen it greatly influence Dev decisions.

[darkstarpoet1]

Hate to admit it but he's right here. No matter how fun it actually is, people will be regardless. Some might bot LESS but you will never get rid of it. Some people would rather have a program play the game for them, that's just how it is.

This game's crafting system has the potential to be bot unfriendly. Because you can get through most synths just spamming Standard it makes botting possible. If you actually had to pay attention to the light and choose different options based on that like I imagine it was supposed to be then botting would be pretty tough.

this was the problem with the overall society i was talking about arcell. at no point was i trying to defend bots because it is pathetic, but pointing out the nature alot of people use their daily lives. we are in the me me me Me ME age. i haven't understood why anyone would get a game to bot instead of playing it.

the only thing i worry about is your second point you bring up. yes, making multiple different outcomes on each synth attempt will make coding botters harder, but nowhere near impossible. if you have a general idea of how to parse data you can program a bot. no matter how much things change in the crafting system if it involves the use of data then there is a way to program it in. all it takes is a few more if/then/elseif/then statements into the program. the only thing it does is takes extra steps for both the bot and the legit person to take. we already complained about having too many steps in the crafting process and adding more i dun see as a viable option.

i could be wrong and they added things and made it a longer process, but gave larger rewards and work out fine. i just wouldn't want to support an idea like that unless i had more info as we don't need it becoming more tedious.

I took it as a hyperbole, all the wise-guys out there took it literally. Bots ruin the game and if you've ever played an online FPS you know first hand how infuriating it is when someone uses a bot.

heck yeah, aim bots and wall bots ruin fps games for sure. the problem is those games are different from these in the fact it is a direct competition game. aim bots do directly affect your gameplay experience.

i believe all bots should be banned, but i just don't see it happening in the near future. i just hope se has been making a list of those that have been botting and takes a hammer and hits them all with it when they see the time is right.