Crafter=Botter (90%)

[KaedrianLiang]

...(normal, with a social life)...

I lack the above.

[TheVedis]

to OP: i have 6 50 crafts and im not a bot
granted, i do agree ALOT of people with alot of crafting levels do bot(thats not all they bot either, they bot their gathering and combat too)


in my case though, i do have a social life(as much of one that im allowed to have given that im a single father who actualy does my job raising my child) and a girlfriend, and a job, i just play a whole damn lot whenever i am home cuz i cant actualy get out and go anywhere while raising the kid

and some people apperently think im a program developed by the cia


but in all honesty the problem isnt just with crafters, alot of people are botting everything in the game if they bot at all, you would be surprised how many gather botters i have seen lately, and they are pretty obvious too(ever see them glitch out and run up to nodes, and sit there running their script while the node isnt there, its rather funny)

[zaviermhigo]

If you're grinding on canvas gloves all day at appropriate rank 30, I think "thats a real person." If you're an alchemist who's been in the same spot for two days grinding fish into shards, then I think you're a bot" One day in the same place making fish to shards isn't enough proof, i could be guilty of that, shards are gold.

[Mikita]

After around half hour i am definitively that NOBODY (normal, with a social life) can have multiple 50 craft without a bot assistance.

Or a perso is an Android or is quite impossible to stay hour and hour in crafting..

Hi. I see you're on Saronia too. I wonder which Lalafell you are talking about?

I have many friends who have multiple R50 crafts (several in my Linkshells as well), and I'm pretty sure that most of them don't bot because they almost always respond when I /wave or /say to them. Sometimes /cheer gets a better response because it makes a noise that might draw their attention. ^^

Here are a few bits of information about high level crafters I know personally and talk with often:

- Several don't really like battle jobs. They'll do battle jobs every now and then, but it's mainly to help or be with friends.

- Several are housewives or have work-at-home jobs so they have a lot of free time.

- Many are watching TV or web surfing while crafting (I'm often doing this).

- Many are often chatting within their Linkshell (I'm usually doing this as well).

- Many have been playing almost every day since October (I started in October and play every day also, so I have an idea of who has been around for a long time)


Of course there are people who bot, which is unfortunate. And I hope SE does something about it.

But having multiple R50 jobs is probably not a good indicator.

[WillRiker]

Wow, just because i have a 50 craft i am a bot? geesh...

It took me 2 months from starting this game to get one combat job and one craft to maximum. Now, I am looking to finish up the required sub crafts and take another craft up to 50.

shoot, the only trick is to possess the ability to press enter while watching tv. Its not hard, nor is it expensive to do so. It literally took 3 days of mining until gathering fatigue to get enough ore for getting one craft to maximum. After that, it was just procurement of shards.

I cannot wait until i have 2 crafts at maximum, then haters will start callin me a bot too.

Guess haters will just be haters.

[TheVedis]

Wow, just because i have a 50 craft i am a bot? geesh...

It took me 2 months from starting this game to get one combat job and one craft to maximum. Now, I am looking to finish up the required sub crafts and take another craft up to 50.

shoot, the only trick is to possess the ability to press enter while watching tv. Its not hard, nor is it expensive to do so. It literally took 3 days of mining until gathering fatigue to get enough ore for getting one craft to maximum. After that, it was just procurement of shards.

I cannot wait until i have 2 crafts at maximum, then haters will start callin me a bot too.

Guess haters will just be haters.

i have 6, they lay into me all the time
took me since pre launch to earn these bad boys, but its been a long and worthwhile road! (and i aint crafted for sp in 2 weeks cuz i needed a damn break after doing it)

[Leknaat]

Netflix/Amazon Ubox/Hulu ftw <3 Beer more optional since I'm allergic to it. :P

I'm on for like 16 hours a day myself. What else is there to do for 16 hours except craft or gather when you hate the battle classes? I even hate fatigue which means that I'm contantly swapping through the various crafting jobs. I'm pretty much only limited by how fast I can gather or if I'm supremely lazy I can buy stuff in the market wards.

Why don't I have tons of r50 crafting jobs?
1) I try to be as self-sufficient as possible. I try to craft from what I gather.
2) I would like to finish getting my guild-mark skills/abilities before r50
3) There are days where I've been too sick/worn out to do much more than stare the bobbing head of my Lalafell for 10+ hours
4) I've been in and out of the hospital multiple times e_e;

Obviously someone without problems #3 and #4 would be going a bit faster than I am. Someone that doesn't care about doing #1 & #2 would really be zooming.

Not to say that there aren't botters in the game but I wouldn't accuse 90% of the people in the game of botting.

[Val_Rhys]

Whether it's easier or more difficult to bot in FFXIV than other games is completely irrelevant. That's why it's not a moot point. If they made changes that kept the spirit of the system but made it more difficult to bot, wouldn't you be in favour of it?

The OP is clearly way off base and I mostly agree with your earlier sentiments. But justifying a mediocre system by comparing the relative ease to other games makes little sense.

[darkstarpoet1]

Whether it's easier or more difficult to bot in FFXIV than other games is completely irrelevant. That's why it's not a moot point. If they made changes that kept the spirit of the system but made it more difficult to bot, wouldn't you be in favour of it?

The OP is clearly way off base and I mostly agree with your earlier sentiments. But justifying a mediocre system by comparing the relative ease to other games makes little sense.

this depends on what kind of changes they are planning on making. if you make it negatively impact the people doing it legit now more than fatigue already is then no i am not. i am already not in favor of fatigue and gathering fatigue because it has a negative impact on legit players. i do not want to see more of them.

Regardless on how I feel about bots and generally breaking the rules...

If crafting was fun people would do it themselves instead of leaving it to scripts.

no they wouldn't. there are people that do whatever they can to get ahead. a bot runs while you are not at the computer so you get levels and have to do nothing to get it. this goes for paying for someone to level your battle classes, craft botting, farm bots, and gathering bots.

they get something for nothing and no matter what changes are made to make them more fun the bot will always rank faster than you do since it never sleeps or has to leave the house.

[Hikozaemon]

If they wanna bot let them because SE does have a track record of letting botters/cheaters run rampant for months or years then instantly ban-hammering them all into the ground at once. IE....salvage bans hahah