Crafter=Botter (90%)

[DoubleEcho]

Well, the thing is, if you add a 2% chance rate to smoething like a bug bite, it's so rare that people who turn a bot on, and go to sleep aren't going to really know if their bot can respond appropriately to the bug. It wouldn't be common enough to do excellent testing. Bots are usually pretty buggy regardless. Also, the kick feature could do something like.. not waste the materials you were using. It is a way to grief someone, but it is a minor inconvienance for someone who's there. They have to spend another 30 seconds doing 1 synth IF they are kicked. I'm confident people would save their kicks for would-be botters

P.s. I know I'm not super smart, but try not to flame me too much lol. I'm trying to make solutions instead of just complain

I understand you're trying to make solutions, but your solutions don't really improve anything. You're confident that people would save kicks for botters? What makes you so confident?

Rooting out bots should be the job of the task force - you're basically advocating vigilante justice, with the end result being that someone legitimately crafting or gathering would get their instance interrupted because you decided they were a bot.

" It is a way to grief someone, but it is a minor inconvienance for someone who's there. They have to spend another 30 seconds doing 1 synth IF they are kicked."

And if they're kicked multiple times by multiple people?

[Krausus]

I understand you're trying to make solutions, but your solutions don't really improve anything. You're confident that people would save kicks for botters? What makes you so confident?

Rooting out bots should be the job of the task force - you're basically advocating vigilante justice, with the end result being that someone legitimately crafting or gathering would get their instance interrupted because you decided they were a bot.

" It is a way to grief someone, but it is a minor inconvienance for someone who's there. They have to spend another 30 seconds doing 1 synth IF they are kicked."

And if they're kicked multiple times by multiple people?

I know I would be pissed if someone kicked me while crafting something like champions lance and i had really high quality going on it

[DoubleEcho]

I know I would be pissed if someone kicked me while crafting something like champions lance and i had really high quality going on it

Exactly - sometimes you just get really luck with some bold synths and end up with extra dura to do Touch Ups. If I had a good synth going and someone screwed it up with a /kick, and I re-did it and failed, you better believe I'd be upset.

The big issue I have is that the suggestions alexi14 proposed don't add anything positive to the game, they just cause more problems.

[TheVedis]

Exactly - sometimes you just get really luck with some bold synths and end up with extra dura to do Touch Ups. If I had a good synth going and someone screwed it up with a /kick, and I re-did it and failed, you better believe I'd be upset.

The big issue I have is that the suggestions alexi14 proposed don't add anything positive to the game, they just cause more problems.

yeah cuz who would use it to actualy annoy bots...

everyone would use it just to mess with crafters in general

[darkstarpoet1]

Well, the thing is, if you add a 2% chance rate to smoething like a bug bite, it's so rare that people who turn a bot on, and go to sleep aren't going to really know if their bot can respond appropriately to the bug. It wouldn't be common enough to do excellent testing. Bots are usually pretty buggy regardless. Also, the kick feature could do something like.. not waste the materials you were using. It is a way to grief someone, but it is a minor inconvienance for someone who's there. They have to spend another 30 seconds doing 1 synth IF they are kicked. I'm confident people would save their kicks for would-be botters

P.s. I know I'm not super smart, but try not to flame me too much lol. I'm trying to make solutions instead of just complain

no you have already seen some of the ls drama in the forums. what would it take for one ls that doesn't like another to walk up and force fail someone when they are making a bardiche or lance or robe? that's what would happen. a minor inconvenience is not forcing someone to lose millions of gil worth of materials due to a force fail. remember when you fail a synth you lose all of the materials.

ok now look at the other side. say you decide to keep this from happening you say on a force kick fail they get to keep materials. omg, i am failing this bardiche quick kick me so i can retry it.

your suggestion cause either griefing or exploiting of the system either way. we already have a ls on my server that enjoys dragging hogs on top of another ls in mor dhona just to mpk them. if they do that what would they do if they found out someone was synthing up a high level piece of gear?

[NefarioCall]

I watch anime while i craft.

[Skeloton]

Instead of giving all legit crafters the shaft and making the crafting bot unfriendly, How about making crafting Player friendly?

people will bot regardless what you do to prevent them but some people might just be botting because they dislike how mind numbing the crafting can be. Sure its no excuse but still perhaps some if not most of the botters would cease their botting if the crafting was slightly more engaging and fun

[TheVedis]

Instead of giving all legit crafters the shaft and making the crafting bot unfriendly, How about making crafting Player friendly?

people will bot regardless what you do to prevent them but some people might just be botting because they dislike how mind numbing the crafting can be. Sure its no excuse but still perhaps some if not most of the botters would cease their botting if the crafting was slightly more engaging and fun

people dont bot something because its hard or boring
they bot it cuz they like to cheat and wanna get ahead without actualy doing the work

honest people dont just come up and say "oh my god this is SO boring" i think ill cheat instead of doing it correctly
no the legit people just DONT do it

cheaters will cheat

[darkstarpoet1]

Instead of giving all legit crafters the shaft and making the crafting bot unfriendly, How about making crafting Player friendly?

people will bot regardless what you do to prevent them but some people might just be botting because they dislike how mind numbing the crafting can be. Sure its no excuse but still perhaps some if not most of the botters would cease their botting if the crafting was slightly more engaging and fun

i can agree with making crafting more fun, but don't try to use stopping botting as an reason. making it more fun will not stop a single person from botting. even if you made it to take 10 synths per level the people that bot now will bot then. they do it for an unfair advantage. making things fun would not stop them from wanting that unfair advantage.