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  1. #1
    Player
    ErnestoGiovanni's Avatar
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    Ceropio Malvae
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    Mateus
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    Conjurer Lv 59
    Lol healers are 93 acc below the acc cap for mage dps i used to dps (2.1)but really seeing miss on 6/10 mobs for 580 mp isn't worth it as whm. However as sch i use selene use spell speed buff on first pull throw up swift shadowflare and a miasma 2 in clerics stance. Drop shadowflare on dread and after shadowflare and miasma two on phase 4 when there is ten seconds left in phase 4 i takeout selene throw in eos and use her buffs to support the party for ph5 -6. Now 2.2 i keep selene out and use haste buff and still drop stuff when i can. But it goes so fast without it, it seems pointless.
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    Player MeiUshu's Avatar
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    Sophia Sormanu
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    Balmung
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    you a genius, I barely can throw out any of the dots, most of the tanks I saw, except a couple, I am lvl 43 scholar and 50 whm, at the first hit were down almost 75% of their health bar...some play supermen, they pull an entire room, saw that in Stone Vigil, so many mobs that me and fairy had some troubles keeping the dam tank alive and even teh DPS since tank couldnt hold the aggro...this happens more then not...therefore what you describe above, probably is possible only with super geared players and eventually if not super geared they alreayd know what to do and how to move. Otherwise, at least as far as I am concerned, doting is very difficult, and two healers sort of kind of, is just barely enough.

    But hey, different people different experiences.

    Mei
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    Ghishlain's Avatar
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Mateus
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Being kicked from a T4 group for not DPSing as a SCH is just really bad >>;

    However, this doesn't mean there are not plenty of opportunities to DPS in T4 though, depending on your group composition, equipment, and strategy. My group pre-2.2 usually had two i8x tanks and given the gearing, was fairly straight forward to DPS (and either I get very lucky or the ACC cap is lower in T4 because of the "gauntlet of trash", if you will). We usually burn Dread in P5 so no double dread strategy here, and I'm usually healing the OT.

    P1 - As you see tanks run in to get mobs, have Cleric's Stance ready, Shadow Flare the middle run in and Miasma II, DoT chain, Bane four targets, reapply Miasma II, get out of Cleric's Stance and heal. Use an Energy Drain or two to keep MP up as you generally have Aetherflow back up between each phase.
    P2 - Each healer takes a tank, can generally solo heal as a Fairy just fine with added support here and there. DoT up your tanks Soldier and let it fly, add heals as needed.
    P3 - Will generally need to heal spam due to 4x Bug Dreadnaught.
    P4 - Same as P1, can focus on Rooks first, will probably need to stance dance more often
    P5 - My group usually burned Dread in this, so I was able to DPS Dread and fresh soldier (in that order) to help out.
    P6 - Will generally need to spam heals as my OT is now tanking 4-6 mobs at once (depending on how many bugs he picks up). Will need to off heal party on occasion as the Rook eats the physical DPS I'm usually with, lol. Once the adds are thinned on the OT, can help focus DPS on Dread as this Dread is no where near as potent as T4

    Again, mileage may vary depending on strategy, ilvl, and group composition.

    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    Scholars that don't use dots and bane deserve to be kicked. The entire reason you have a fairy to assist you is to let you do other things besides heal. If you as a scholar do nothing but heal then you're a terrible one.
    I'm not normally this blunt, but you're a terrible healer if you think this. Your ability to DPS as a healer is directly proportional to how skilled / geared your group is. If you need to heal 24/7 because the party's skill / gear is low for the situation, then so be it.

    With that said, if it's clear all your doing is letting your fairy heal while you pose and look pretty, yes, you are a terrible SCH.
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    Last edited by Ghishlain; 04-16-2014 at 02:26 AM. Reason: 1k character limit

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    whiskeybravo's Avatar
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    Whiskey Bravo
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    Leviathan
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Always found this a curious case.. Are DoTs not affected by accuracy? As someone else menitoned, healers are natively 94 accuracy short of the caster cap.. Rose Gold accessories will only get you about halfway there, I supposed you could gear in i90 crafted (or previously vanya) melded with accuracy, but still.. DPS shouldn't be an issue with the buff and easier access to better gear. My guess is the group continued to wipe even after kicking you XD
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by whiskeybravo View Post
    Always found this a curious case.. Are DoTs not affected by accuracy? As someone else menitoned, healers are natively 94 accuracy short of the caster cap.. Rose Gold accessories will only get you about halfway there, I supposed you could gear in i90 crafted (or previously vanya) melded with accuracy, but still.. DPS shouldn't be an issue with the buff and easier access to better gear. My guess is the group continued to wipe even after kicking you XD
    I believe Bio and Bio II are applied automatically because they don't have an initial damage, they're just applied and deal damage over time, so they don't "miss" as it's not attacking, just sticking to something. (could be mistaken though)
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    Staris's Avatar
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    Staris Fate
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    Ultros
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    they are bad for requiring you to dps.
    But you are bad for not wanting to dps.
    solved.
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    Bufkus's Avatar
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    Hermennes Cletrindale
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    Leviathan
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    Lancer Lv 15
    I tried holying the spiders once and missed every time, even with multiple holy casts. I was geared out in mostly myth and some allagans at the time. This was pre 2.2 and no healer piece had added accuracy on it anyway.

    If any groups had their healers dpsing pre 2.2, then they were just wasting mana and their dps must have been especially bad to rely on the added 10-50 dps a healer could provide.
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    Menae's Avatar
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    Menae Dulanis
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    Gilgamesh
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Turn 4 is a bit of a dps race, true, but it's not one to which the group should require the healer to contribute, especially now that so many are in full i90 or better and with a 10% echo buff.

    There's fights where the healer dpsing for specific moments can really help the team by pushing a phase or helping to meet some really high dps requirements. If turn 4 is one of them, you need to find better dps or get better gear or both.
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    Good King Moogle Mog, Good King Mog! Lord of all the land (kupo)!

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    PetiteMalFleur's Avatar
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    Viva Diva
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Dps is too low it's obviously the healer's fault. Lololol

    But seriously, dots miss. Bane them and a bunch will miss. When I heal this as scholar I try to keep a shadow flare down on dreads and spiders throughout. I can't imagine this being a significant dps boost though. With the echo buff things melt so fast I don't need to dps at any point.
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    Lemon Nate
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    Leviathan
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    If your healers need to help DPS, your DPS is not doing their job.

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