Giants and Allagans

[Catapult]

I've been toying with this idea for a while, and I'm keen to hear what the rest of you think.

Many people hold the idea that it will be the Giants that summon Shiva, but I believe that is off the mark. I believe the Giants will play a more significant part in unfolding the story of the Allagan Empire. In fact, I suspect the giants are the race of the Allagans.

One of the sidequests around Saint Coinach's Find revolves around the giant's fascination with the crystal tower, something they hold as sacred, as well as any depictions of it. Also consider the Flames' levequest, "Who Writes History".

Gigas converge on the Crystal Tower, led by a firebrand calling himself Okeanos the Red. He incites the mob to take back Silvertear Falls and reconsecrate the ruins of the Allagan Empire, from which he claims descent. Reunite Okeanos with his ancestors, and let any who stand in the way anoint the ground with hot fear and cold blood.

In the fight, he says the following:

Okeanos the Red: MY PEOPLE CLIMB TOWER AND RETURN TO HEAVENS!

On top of this, Acheron himself is described as an Allagan hero, and the guy is huge. Like, Giant-breed huge. To top it all off, NOAH comes to the conclusion that whoever built the Labyrinth of the Ancients "clearly thought bigger was better".

Or maybe just giant-sized?

Yeah, what do you think?

[Kyan]

Were the Garleans also descendants of the Allag as well? That is, the three-eyed Garleans?

[Myranda]

I have by doubts about it, writing off the claims of lineage as those of a crazed fanatic. Remember we also have house Darnus that held many Allag secrets and given that Nael was successful in calling down Meteor seems like a more legit claim to me (unless there's any 2nd Coil spoilers regarding that which I don't know yet)

As for Acheron, there's a specific story about him being made monstrous and a slave, no? Does that tale mention anything about the size?

[Enkidoh]

Well, I don't think Acheron is really an accurate representation of what he once was in life, given the fact it was stated he was 'reborn', or rather 'rebuilt' after death to serve as a guardian of the tower.

EDIT: I've looked through my screenshots of the cutscene that plays after completing the Labyrinth of the Ancients for the first time for clarification about what Acheron once was, and this is what I found:

G'raha Tia: "...A giant of a man wielding a shimmering scimitar you say? Yes, that would have been Acheron. He was a hero of the Allagan revolution."
Cid: "And you gleaned that from what exactly? His choice of weapon?"
G'raha Tia: "Well I am a historian. And I have a certain, shall we say, affinity, for the lore of the Allagan Empire."
G'raha Tia: "It is, of course, all knowledge gleaned from musty scrolls and tomes. The ancient texts claim that the Crystal Tower is defended by the champions of eld, ressurected and augmented through the Allagans' extraordinary technology."

Also, during the cutscene of the meeting back at Saint Coinach's Find after leaving the Tower, there's this bit of info:

Rammbroes: "According to <insert player name here>'s account, the labyrinth's defenses were most emphatically active. Disturbingly, <his/her>'s report also mentions a violent encounter with a sentry heavily augmented by Allagan technology."

And when you remember Nael was meant to be an Allagan descendent, and he (or she, the jury is still out on exactly what Nael's canonical gender really is!), was only an elezen of average height. Plus the Ultima Weapon was built by the Allag and the control cabin in it's head was barely big enough to hold Gaius, a mere hyur! So yeah, I disagree the giants/gigas are Allagans.

Instead, I'm thinking it's entirely possible that the giants might have been created by the Allag during their heyday, and rebelled (remember their cousins the hecatonchiers did the same thing thousands of years later in Ul'dah during the Thorne Dynasty). It's appears to me at least they were simply exploited as a source of manual labour. The reason they're obsessed with the Crystal Tower might stem from the fact they probably helped build it, and some kind of cultural memory passed down through generations has been retained, albeit twisted, into an obsession with the place they no longer understand.

[saber_alter]

Well, I don't think Acheron is really an accurate representation of what he once was in life, given the fact it was stated he was 'reborn', or rather 'rebuilt' after death to serve as a guardian of the tower.

he probably was...but was he that massive in life, or was that due to modifications...or something more.

And when you remember Nael was meant to be an Allagan descendent, and he (or she, the jury is still out on exactly what Nael's canonical gender really is!), was only an elezen of average height. Plus the Ultima Weapon was built by the Allag and the control cabin in it's head was barely big enough to hold Gaius, a mere hyur! So yeah, I disagree the giants/gigas are Allagans.

from what i am aware, garleans all belong to the same race (garlean) nael's appearance as seen in turn 9 definitely does not have any elezen ears of the sort. i'm assuming that nael was an exceptionally tall garlean who simply takes a similar stance as elezen (probably by game design, they likely had to use the elezen default rig to make him that tall.)

there is also a very high chance that ultima weapon was refitted by the garlean empire to be able to seat a hyur-sized individual...in fact it probably is using a similar control setup to a magitek reaper, albeit with more buttons.

[Myranda]

Ooh, I like Enkidoh's idea there.

It also doesn't sit well with me that if they were actual descendents, they would have devolved from the most technological civilization Eorzea had ever seen to simple brutes who whack at stuff with clubs still and speak like stereotypical cavemen.

[DoctaruRavenbe]

It also doesn't sit well with me that if they were actual descendents, they would have devolved from the most technological civilization Eorzea had ever seen to simple brutes who whack at stuff with clubs still and speak like stereotypical cavemen.

It worked for the Sleestaks in the Original Land of the Lost. I think its even a trope: Descendants of a highly advanced ancient civilization are cavemen due to ancient apocalypse.

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

It worked for the Sleestaks in the Original Land of the Lost. I think its even a trope: Descendants of a highly advanced ancient civilization are cavemen due to ancient apocalypse.

And that's why I never trust a dude in a tunic.

[Empressia]

Ragnarok class space ship means Allags are ALIENS! Or, they simply moved to colonize other planets due to Zodiark might have wiped life on Hydaelyn resulting in a catastrophic cataclysm which rendered Hydaelyn unhospitable atm and Crystal Tower with Coil as its power source might be a terraforming structure to render Hydaelyn back to its former state

[Kyan]

I like Enkidoh's idea too - the Allag seem to have genetically engineered many creatures in Eorzea, and I would not put it past them to engineer a workforce which would be our present day giants!