FIX the AUCTION HOUSE!!!!

[Oriana]

hey everyone im getting really tired of getting undercut every 1-10min not just by 1gil but 1k 2k 10k and so on... the AH system is really bad in this game i wish they would make it a little different. if you agree with this please click like and leave your comment here, so hopefully with a lot likes maybe SE would do something and fix this terrible system please leave your ideas. my idea would be like is was in FF11 but maybe others wont like it, but please leave your ideas and lets talk friendly


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Simple solution is a listing fee that GW2 did. When you list an item you pay a fee based on how much you put the item up for. If at any point you want to change the price or take the item down you do not receive the listing fee back and must pay again when you put it back up.

This will strait up stop the undercutting war as person A who listed first and then got undercut would not risk losing more money trying to undercut person B who undercut them just to sell faster. This also forces people to pay attention to buying trends and list certain items at reasonable prices.

This idea will work perfect i think what they should do is for the first time you put an item it will cost u 0 but and still take the tax from u but if u want to change the same item that is in the market for another prince then you have to pay a extra fee for doing that i believe it will help the Market

There needs to be lets say 3 hours or more where you cannot Change your Price. This will help a little bit i think.

i like this ideas making it that you cant change the price, that's a big problem here u can change it when ever you want which make undercutting constantly

XI's AH was far supperior to this one in terms of keeping the economy stable. In the history of mmos XI's ah had the most stable prices over a period of time, they fluctuated but only by like 5-10% over the course of a year (not counting the RMT christmas inflation). XIV what is 10k today will be selling for 1k when you wake up...

XIV everyone undercuts everyone. The argument it is supply and demand does not apply to a mmo where people are just blindly undercutting with no knowledge of the market.

IRL cost go down because there is no demand for the items. In XIV it goes down because someone is way to impatient to wait 1hr for it to sell at full value. So they undercut by 10% so the others selling have to do the same.
IRL no one would undercut to the point of a net loss, in XIV half the items in 2.1 were selling for a net loss.

No economy is perfect, but in all the mmos I played I have never seen a market as horribly volital as XIV is.

[Naraku_Diabolos]

Wait, are you talking about Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn or The Elder Scrolls Online? I'm not sure if you are serious.

[Oriana]

Wait, are you talking about Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn or The Elder Scrolls Online? I'm not sure if you are serious.

huh? why would i talk about TESO here??? and yes im serious

oh I got it!

undercut them back! they'll never see it coming!

yes i can do that but thats not the point it just so stupid how the under-cutting is taking place in this game

[Naraku_Diabolos]

huh? why would i talk about TESO here??? and yes im serious

TESO has no Auction House of any kind lmao. People have to personally sell items on their own to make any money.

[jars]

oh I got it!

undercut them back! they'll never see it coming!

[Shioban]

There isn't a remedy to fix this.

It's the same in any game with an Auction House actually.

There are always a number of people with severe brain damage who think; "This is up for 50K...but wait IF I SELL MINE FOR 40K IT'LL SELL FASTER".*
These people actually exist, and somehow believe this, and there is no remedy.


As long as players are allowed to set whatever price they want, there is nothing anyone can do about it.




*If you are one of these people, consider the following;

Bob wants a 'Bronze Saw'.

Currently 20 listings are up for saws;

Bronze Saw

3,000 g -- imanidiot <--- This one is yours.
4,999 g -- iunderstandbasicmath
5,000 g -- idontundercutbythousands
5,001 g -- ilikemakingmoney
5,100 g -- ironicretainername#5

Now. Bob want his 'Bronze Saw', it doen't matter which one to him, he really needs it to get his Carpentry done.

Bob buys yours for 3,000g as it's the cheapest.However

Had you'd set yours to 4998g Bob would still have bought it.

You've now lost out on 1998g in total. And also left yourself open to be undercut further lowering the value of the item faster than people can actually purchase them.




This is how market crashes happen, where something that's worth 5,000g gets undercut by large chunks in a short period of time because, let's face it at ANY time someone could undercut your price. And by undercutting 1-2k gil you can be sure it won't be worth anything soon.

[NefarioCall]

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Couldn't have said it better myself.

Still, even though i undercut by 1 gil, ... it can be a bit of a chore to sift through 80 items one at a time.
The reality is that even if you don't undercut at all, your stuff will mostly sell eventually ... mostly.
You just won't make as much gil as fast.

[Ryans]

There isn't a remedy to fix this.

It's the same in any game with an Auction House actually.

There are always a number of people with severe brain damage who think; "This is up for 50K...but wait IF I SELL MINE FOR 40K IT'LL SELL FASTER".*
These people actually exist, and somehow believe this, and there is no remedy.

I'm not sure if you've been in a position to buy things you don't particularly need simply because the price was low, but there are plenty of people who are. They see something that is undercut and turn it into profit. People who undercut could very well be targeting that market base and just want to unload their useless items as quickly as possible.

I know I've bought items I have no use for other than to have the item simply because it was lower than the normal market price.

[Goldhawk]

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That's just pure ignorance. Of course it's going to sell faster, it's the cheaper item. It's not like he's "missing out" on any money. What if the item isn't worth 5k?

You seem to be forgetting that the OPPOSITE happens too, where items that are easily under 100k can sell for much higher than what they're worth. I'd much rather see items be cheap and easier to obtain rather than more expensive and only obtainable by people who purchase gil. This happened in the last MMO I played. 1000 copper = 1 silver. 1000 silver = 1 gold. 100 gold = 1 gem. level 70 blue +10 items used to cost 10 gold at the MOST now they're 1.5 gems or higher (which gems are very hard to obtain by a person who doesn't pay for their money)

[Luciano_Bozzelli]

*If you are one of these people, consider the following;

Bob wants a 'Bronze Saw'.

Currently 20 listings are up for saws;


Now. Bob want his 'Bronze Saw', it doen't matter which one to him, he really needs it to get his Carpentry done.

Bob buys yours for 3,000g as it's the cheapest.However

Had you'd set yours to 4998g Bob would still have bought it.

You've now lost out on 1998g in total. And also left yourself open to be undercut further lowering the value of the item faster than people can actually purchase them.




This is how market crashes happen, where something that's worth 5,000g gets undercut by large chunks in a short period of time because, let's face it at ANY time someone could undercut your price. And by undercutting 1-2k gil you can be sure it won't be worth anything soon.

Man!! I wish this comment right here was a big sign that showed everytime you logged in. LMAO... I don't understand why people don't understand this... Just a few days ago the black mage weapon used in the beginning relic quest was sitting at a nice 25k, I sold a few, but here comes some stupid guy just throws his in for 12k... Now, seeing this scared the hell out of me, so I bought his, and undercut the next man by 1 gil... But then this means I had more to sell... Next time I look, mines are still in there, and someone else puts one in for 9k... I have no idea what's going on in their head, but he just cost everyone's chance at making 20k a pop... I really don't get what goes on in there head...

One time I invented a link shell called Business Minded... With the goal to invite everyone to it that I see do stupid undercuts, and eventually inform all the stupid sellers on my server one stupid man at a time. But you know how many people I added to that linkshell... One guy!! Only one man was willing to listen, the rest hit me with, I farmed the materials, I didn't buy them... So its pure profit!!! What do you care what I sell my items for... One man even rudely told me to F off... I just don't get it... I guess these stupid people just don't want the extra gil every time they sell that said item... The man that sold that cudgel for 9k just didn't understand that he could have sold it 5 times for 20k plus a peice...

How can we inform the realm of this? How can we educate everyone? Make a macro that shouts in the city everyday? But... if the prices were hidden and you didn't see what everyone had theirs sold for, you couldn't just undercut that man directly, you would have to make a choice to undercut the price of the last one purchased, and the buyer wouldn't know that someone put one in that low, they would have to just go off of what the last man bought it for. This made people hover around the real price, and took longer for the price to actually drop.

I wouldn't mind if this was implemented as this is how it was in FFXI. And it would make a difference to the market.