What the heck is going on with this patch?

[darkstarpoet1]

It makes sense for it to be locked behind progression, but at the same time it is locking out a lot of people from new content.

they aren't locked out. they just haven't gotten to the point of being ready to try it. the ones that cannot complete t5 even with the echo buff have absolutely zero shot at turn6. there's a bunch of skill needed to be gained and experience as a group before they can even think of trying it. this is like complaining they should be able to enter endgame at level 30 and being mad they have to reach level 50 first. there is that much of a jump from t5-t6.

[lacassea]

Colt if you had put the same effort into clearing T5 as you do complaining about T6 lockouts you would've cleared T5 3 weeks ago

[Colt47]

Colt if you had put the same effort into clearing T5 as you do complaining about T6 lockouts you would've cleared T5 3 weeks ago

No, not going into this. 15 minutes can clear coil turn 5?

Ultimately progression does not lay on the shoulders of individual players in themepark MMOs: It relies on a group of players, of which if any are not capable the entire group suffers. Also, this thread never was intended to be a complaint specifically about coil lock outs: the community kind of turned it into that, because apparently it is an affront to nature to bring up the subject at all on this board. It was a comment on the general complaints piling up from a lot of issues and that something seems terribly wrong with the design direction the patch took.

Also, I can clear turn 5. Complaining about something doesn't immediately imply a lack of ability. Even if some people seem to think it does.

[Jinko]

they aren't locked out. they just haven't gotten to the point of being ready to try it. the ones that cannot complete t5 even with the echo buff have absolutely zero shot at turn6. there's a bunch of skill needed to be gained and experience as a group before they can even think of trying it. this is like complaining they should be able to enter endgame at level 30 and being mad they have to reach level 50 first. there is that much of a jump from t5-t6.

And I guess thats part of the problem, this patch has been pretty much focused on hardcore content outside Atma which most people hate because its a different kind of hardcore.

2.3 will bring more casual content in the form of CT but until then most casuals don't have a great deal to look forward to.

If you look at how Blizzard put out their content in a patch they have a wide variety of content regardless of experience level and I think people expect the same here, obviously thats not going to happen because SE don't have the money, time and staff to meet those expectations.

I don't' think its so much level 30 wanting to jump straight to 50 as more than "what about us".

Because there is no CT there is no medium level end game, just really easy or really hard.

I'm willing to bet that come 2.3 it will be the other way round, hardcore players will be complaining because the new content is too easy and they are bored of Coil 2.

[MrKupo]

I find it funny that people are complaining about the rarity of the easter event monster when there were so many people that constantly asked for the return of Notorious Monsters. This just goes to show how split everyone is with what they want from this game.

[DoubleT]

lol holiday events have caused grumbles since xi

[Demus]

You might very well be right. It's just that it makes sense for people to see that for themselves by trying it

It makes no sense. Why is it so hard for you to understand that complaining about T6 being locked behind T5 is just as stupid as complaining about T2 being locked behind T1? Why should it matter if one is part of another patch? It's an increasing scale of difficulty and a progression of the same story line. If you haven't proved yourself in the earlier turn in terms of skill, you have no right to the later ones.

Coil 1 is slowly being nerfed as Echo gets introduced and players are gearing up with Soldiery. The Coil 2 lockout isn't going to matter in a few weeks. I think SE did a great job by giving expert players immediate access to the new content at a higher difficulty while letting the more casual players trickle in as their gear gets better.

[Colt47]

cut for space.

You're right that it doesn't make sense from a progression standpoint, but it does make sense from an empathetic one. Are you saying it's better that people keep gnashing teeth continuously on the message board than to just open up the area and let people try it out without progressing through turn 5? Because ultimately that is what this is turning into. What are people trying to defend?

[Demus]

What are people trying to defend?

The small amount of integrity that the game has left. You think people that "have the ability" yet can't clear Turn 5 due to "time constraints" should have a shot in Turn 6, but for what purpose? Simply to see how much harder it is, and how much smaller their chances are of completing it? If they weren't happy about being stuck on Turn 5, how do you think they'll feel about Turn 6? Where should it end? All BC turns and primals immediately selectable when they get released?

[darkstarpoet1]

You're right that it doesn't make sense from a progression standpoint, but it does make sense from an empathetic one. Are you saying it's better that people keep gnashing teeth continuously on the message board than to just open up the area and let people try it out without progressing through turn 5? Because ultimately that is what this is turning into. What are people trying to defend?

yes, it is. it's better to want someone to finish a story and progress through the earlier story before they continue going forward. that is the whole point in adding the echo buff to 1-5 was to allow the people that haven't completed(the already nerfed content) to complete the previous content and story and then advance when they have done so. the echo buff to primals and the first turn of coil was done to allow those players to catch up while giving those already there the content at a much higher difficulty than it will have to be for those other players to have a chance against. i could see the complaints now of the people that haven't beaten titan or twin getting stuck in turn 6. would be a bloodbath and constant crying.

doing content this way gives the hardcore people a challenge on newly released content while making the previous content easier so the ones that couldn't beat it originally a chance to beat it. the way they are doing it in stages of nerfs and echo buff allows each tier of player a chance to beat the content when it is difficult for their group. this keeps it from going way too hard to way too easy to them and they get to win while facing a challenge.