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  1. #11
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    Kaisha's Avatar
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    Kaishen Commodore
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    Hyperion
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Colt47 View Post
    Actually, a lot of people didn't see that coming. Usually in progression based games like this they give people a shot at completing a set of progression content, then globally open up the next section. Doing it this way is pretty archaic.
    They added echo to the old turns and made them easily accessible. If you couldn't get a group together that could clear turn 5 w/o echo, you have zero hope of clearing turn 6 anyways since the difficulty/mechanics curve just keeps rising.
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  2. #12
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    UBERHAXED's Avatar
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    Seraph Khalid
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    Faerie
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    Summoner Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Colt47 View Post
    Actually, a lot of people didn't see that coming. Usually in progression based games like this they give people a shot at completing a set of progression content, then globally open up the next section. Doing it this way is pretty archaic.
    I don't know, maybe it was obvious to me because that's how the setup was for... (wait for it...) the previous 5 turns of coil.
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  3. #13
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    How are people who haven't beaten twintania yet expect to beat Turn 6? lol
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  4. #14
    Player Lithera's Avatar
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    Randolont Althoreaux
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    Midgardsormr
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    Lancer Lv 60
    Not sure what's going on on Cactuar...on Midgardsormr there's TONS of PFs for Extremes other than Levi. Everyone is taking advantage of the echo and farming accessories/weps and opening up Levi access. As was said, Turn 6-9 wont make sense storywise w/o a Turn 5 clear. This gating has always existed. All the way back to 2004 and Dynamis in XI. You had to and STILL have to clear the cities to access the northlands/xarc and you had to and STILL have to clear past Diabolos in CoP to access Dreamlands. Have to pretty much clear CoP to access Sea..Zilart to access Sky. ToAU was a bit more open but you still had to clear all the chambers to fight Odin in Einherjar. Two avatars are locked behind ToAU story completion. Don't get me started on WotG gating. Some battlefields haven't been able to be run by anyone for years because of Campaign reqs.
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  5. #15
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    LunarEmerald's Avatar
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    Lunar Emerald
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    Leviathan
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Colt47 View Post
    Actually, a lot of people didn't see that coming. Usually in progression based games like this they give people a shot at completing a set of progression content, then globally open up the next section. Doing it this way is pretty archaic.
    They're going to keep making Turns 1-5 easier until everybody can clear it. And I don't mean just the echo buff. I can say for certain, even with 30% echo, the majority won't be clearing Turn 5. They're going to have to heavily nerf it.

    Eventually it will reach a point where anybody can clear it.
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  6. #16
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    Helinin Landgravine
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    Masamune
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    World of MMO developers. Either they over did stuff, or they over nerf stuff.

    Middle ground never existed.
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    closed for business till further notice

  7. #17
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    Yvaine Isaulde
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    Tonberry
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    Lancer Lv 50
    With the 10% echo buff, even my Grandmother can clear Twintania.

    On a serious note, seriously? People who can't beat Twintania at this stage of game just sucks too much. There is almost zero DPS checks anymore, all you need to do is take note of the effin' Twister casting bar, and Divebombs, even Death Sentence became a joke with this echo buff. If you're complaining why you're locked to the Second Coil of Bahamut, you deserved to be locked, and no, please don't expect to clear T1 of Second Coil if you can't even get passed Divebomb and Twister properly.

    Goodluck and have a nice day.

    PS:
    If you still can't clear it this week, please wait until next week for 20% echo buff. Kthxbye.
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    Last edited by Thorauku; 04-13-2014 at 04:35 PM.

  8. #18
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    Aeryn Zael
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    Adamantoise
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Man this game isn't fair how come I can't do Coil at level 1????

    I'm an IMPORTANT (note that i typed it in caps to emphasize my importance) paying customer and I should not have to do 49 more levels of progression and grinding to meet the item level requirements to do Coil!
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  9. #19
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    Skadi Felis
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    Ragnarok
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    Pugilist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Colt47 View Post
    Actually, a lot of people didn't see that coming. Usually in progression based games like this they give people a shot at completing a set of progression content, then globally open up the next section. Doing it this way is pretty archaic.
    Only people who never read dev posts or watch the live letters.
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  10. #20
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    Lesley Jordan
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    Ragnarok
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Colt47 View Post
    Actually, a lot of people didn't see that coming. Usually in progression based games like this they give people a shot at completing a set of progression content, then globally open up the next section. Doing it this way is pretty archaic.
    To be honest, I think that if you cannot clear Twintania then you will not make it through T6-T9 anyway.
    So I'm not bothered with this lockout.
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