RNG is ruining this game (ATMA QQ post)

[Cubester]

For anyone who played and enjoyed any old-school korean MMORPG

Only, this isn't an old-school Korean MMO.

And honestly, nobody is complaining about the time sink. People are complaining about the randomness of the whole thing. You can get your Atma in less than 24 hours while someone else doesn't get it until after 5 months.
I'm fairly certain that if this were a proper time-sink, and SE said "you'll be spending the next 2 months on this", AND you'd see some bloody progression, nobody would be complaining on the forums in the first place!

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

Only, this isn't an old-school Korean MMO.

And honestly, nobody is complaining about the time sink. People are complaining about the randomness of the whole thing. You can get your Atma in less than 24 hours while someone else doesn't get it until after 5 months.
I'm fairly certain that if this were a proper time-sink, and SE said "you'll be spending the next 2 months on this", AND you'd see some bloody progression, nobody would be complaining on the forums in the first place!

Which is not a requisite to incorpore good old mechanics like low % based drops. And it to be random is the best thing of the whole system. Luck is something people need to progress, there is no progress without having good luck, hard work or genius aren`t everything, if you want something, you always need luck. And thats perfect. If someone gets it in 12 hours, fine, if someone doesn`t get it in 1 year, fine too.

The only bad thing about atmas is that you can`t trade-sell em, that would be even better.

And the last part is just naive. Everyone would complain if for example, instead of atma drops, there was "bars" that needs to be filled by killing monsters on the FATEs, lets say, 1.000 kills per map. You will have the exact same ammout of QQ all over the place. 1.000? make it 100 and it would be all the same. And easier than that, the other part of the forums would begin his own QQ on how atmas are easier to get and make their hardworked allagan, levitahan EX, weekly EX, high allagan weapons useless.

ATMA system is perfect like it is now. The only ones turning it into a booring mindless grind are players themselves, having so much to do, dedicate more than 1 hour a day for such a booring activite is stupid. And if it didn`t drop in the first 60 minutes, it will not drop at the minute 61. In other words, lrn2mmorpg.

[Rosy]

[B]snip...... there was "bars" that needs to be filled by killing monsters on the FATEs, lets say, 1.000 kills per map..... snip.

If you read a lot of the posts in other threads, people would prefer "bars" or some notification of progress, it's the randomness/rng of the whole thing that is frustrating. I would quite happily farm 1000 mobs per zone, at least I can see that bar move, and know I'm getting somewhere whilst I'm doing it.

[Mokikoza]

If you read a lot of the posts in other threads, people would prefer "bars" or some notification of progress, it's the randomness/rng of the whole thing that is frustrating. I would quite happily farm 1000 mobs per zone, at least I can see that bar move, and know I'm getting somewhere whilst I'm doing it.

This! I'd prefer to grind something with an actual progression. Maybe they could make it easier by simply adding a token for each fate that you could turn in X amount for 1 atma stone of your choice.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

If you read a lot of the posts in other threads, people would prefer "bars" or some notification of progress, it's the randomness/rng of the whole thing that is frustrating. I would quite happily farm 1000 mobs per zone, at least I can see that bar move, and know I'm getting somewhere whilst I'm doing it.

Thats the forum people, for each of you crying, there are 30 people in each map doing FATES. And if there were bars, the same forum people would be speak shit about it anyway. The ATMA system is perfect as it is now. Besides, and for lolz of all of you, they are probably going to rise their drop by a notorious margin in coming updates, rendering all your suffering and tears even more worthless cause people don`t know how to mmorpg.

As i said, the only problem with atmas is that you can`t sell em. Will make millions out of rushers that doesn`t even need the atma/animus weapon to begin with.

[Jinko]

The only bad thing about atmas is that you can`t trade-sell em, that would be even better.

Better for who, RMT ?

read a book?

are there actually no other spare-time activies RL or ingame that you consider more fun than low LV Fates for ridiculous amounts of time with no indication of how long that's going to take?

People play games to have fun, they don't play them to sit around waiting or make up excuses to read books.

[RygaenYuui]

Only, this isn't an old-school Korean MMO.

And honestly, nobody is complaining about the time sink. People are complaining about the randomness of the whole thing. You can get your Atma in less than 24 hours while someone else doesn't get it until after 5 months.
I'm fairly certain that if this were a proper time-sink, and SE said "you'll be spending the next 2 months on this", AND you'd see some bloody progression, nobody would be complaining on the forums in the first place!

And this is uncommon in JRPGs when? And definitely not uncommon in MMOs. It should be a given. Really.

You've really gotta hand it to the Devs though; I've never played a game where any kind of drop rate even for quest items was 100% after killing the specified target.

It's called probability. But if you keep at it you will eventually get yours. Maybe.