RNG is ruining this game (ATMA QQ post)

[Sygmaelle]

Why complainin about something beein unfair when devs themselves expect that NOT EVERYONE will be rewarded ?

Do you guys even read between the lines ? I mean get over it, you got nerfed coils + Leviathan extreme for your weapon, or Turn 7's tomestone coupled with 3 weeks of soldiery savings.

If you really really want that badly your atma just ... you know ... work for it, like others do in the other content !

[fergalicious]

Why complainin about something beein unfair when devs themselves expect that NOT EVERYONE will be rewarded ?

Do you guys even read between the lines ? I mean get over it, you got nerfed coils + Leviathan extreme for your weapon, or Turn 7's tomestone coupled with 3 weeks of soldiery savings.

If you really really want that badly your atma just ... you know ... work for it, like others do in the other content !

Way to implement failed argument #2, you clearly read my original post.

Also, I wish I could work for it like others. Unfortunately, everyone has to work for it in their own personal universe of random chance. If my ATMAs take me 500 hours to farm and your take 14, did we work for it the same?

[Jynx]

I wish I could work for it like others. Unfortunately, everyone has to work for it in their own personal universe of random chance. If my ATMAs take me 500 hours to farm and your take 14, did we work for it the same.

Guess what?

All the new weapons and highest level gear require RNG.

Want a new weathered weapon? Need unidentified tomestones
Want a new allagan weapon? Pray it drops for you
Want a Leviathan 100 weapon? Wait for the token to drop and you get the lot.
Want a original Turn 5 weapon? RNG as well!

You can't escape the RNG it permeats the world and people need to accept this.

[fergalicious]

Guess what?

All the new weapons and highest level gear require RNG.

Want a new weathered weapon? Need unidentified tomestones
Want a new allagan weapon? Pray it drops for you
Want a Leviathan 100 weapon? Wait for the token to drop and you get the lot.
Want a original Turn 5 weapon? RNG as well!

You can't escape the RNG it permeats the world and people need to accept this.

First of all, the unidentified tombstones are 100% drop off T7 and the sands of time to upgrade are 100% off T8, I will be getting mine next week tyvm.

Secondly, a little RNG is fine, we all know every drop isn't going to be 100%. But when you put a sub 5% drop rate and say go farm this 12 times...the people in the small part of the bell curve are gonna have a bad time. Have some compassion for those who suffer, its the humane thing to do in this situation.

[Holyhunter]

First of all, the unidentified tombstones are 100% drop off T7 and the sands of time to upgrade are 100% off T8, I will be getting mine next week tyvm.

Secondly, a little RNG is fine, we all know every drop isn't going to be 100%. But when you put a sub 5% drop rate and say go farm this 12 times...the people in the small part of the bell curve are gonna have a bad time. Have some compassion for those who suffer, its the humane thing to do in this situation.

You aren't suffering. It's an optional side quest in a video game, get over it.

[fergalicious]

You aren't suffering. It's an optional side quest in a video game, get over it.

Its a lame and unfair quest in a video game that should be changed for more people to enjoy, get over it.

If you don't like the quest being made easier you can just do 500 extra fates and pretend they didn't change it.

[Sygmaelle]

Way to implement failed argument #2, you clearly read my original post.

Also, I wish I could work for it like others. Unfortunately, everyone has to work for it in their own personal universe of random chance. If my ATMAs take me 500 hours to farm and your take 14, did we work for it the same?

Yes, the same item. Nobody care about the amount of hours. I did read, you just don't want to understand but hey, nice try.

Funniest part is that people are actually complainin for a ilvl 100 weapon that they won't even be able to finish before at least, bare minimum, 2 months just because of the design, like you said. So if its designed that way, why the hell you even bother to complain about how low and unfair the drop rate is.

Spoiler : loot rng is based on rng. Can't stand that generation of spoiled gamers, its like readin Blizzard forums all over again when it's about looting legendaries in Diablo "omg it doesnt drop enough" "omg the affixes are so crap" "OMG X PLAYER GOT SO MUCH MORE THAN ME BUT WHY ON EARTH WHY"

These are ridiculous numbers and in my oppinion we should have either RNG or a lockout, not both.
If we have lockouts, then we should have tokens that we can turn in for items.

It's actually a point I've raised in one of my earlier posts, and funnily enough, more serious people didn't complain about it in 20 different threads that got 15 pages each.

[Keoeson]

Spoiler : loot rng is based on rng.

Spoiler: Everyone saying "rng is rng" has no idea how rng actually work.
There's no single magical rng. We don't know how SE rng works precisly, but we see it at work for crafters/gatherers and there it shows highly unusual distribution patterns. Assuming it's the same, it's safe to say it's highly unfair in this situation.

[Sygmaelle]

it's safe to say it's highly unfair in this situation.

Fairness just doesn't exist here, that's all you need to consider, understand and then accept.

It just doesn't.

Again, on other titles, let me take that Diablo example once more : they are pieces of gear that are legendaries. Pieces of gear that belong to sets that you can only have by killin stuff or lootin chests.

Then you got plans for gear or gems (lets say materias) that can only be dropped by ... yeah you got it, RNG drops, there's not a SINGLE way to obtain it in another maneer, same for legendary gear / some set pieces.

Then, to craft the gear you get by plans you need to farm shit that give a low chance of givin you some mats + salvaging rare drops or havin X pieces of salvaged legendary gear that already doesn't drop a lot.

All of this, absolutely all of this is based on RNG and if you take a look on absolutely all the players profiles / characters you can see that even some of the guys that played for a quite ridiculous amout of hours don't have the half of people that played for half less.

So in Diablo in short you farm for absolutely everything. Your normal gear, then pieces that hopefully drop and aren't trash, then plans of sets or gems you ll eventually get at some point, the said gems, and your basic pieces of armor you need to craft your shit.


And its perfectly fine. Why ? because thats the main incentive of the game. It's exactly the same with the atmas, its not designed for everyone to be rewarded, once again and even the game director himself told so.

So just forget the whole fairness. Just forget the "but i want to be rewarded too i pay for it and invest some of my time, so give me that please or I quit." It just won't happen. Why ? because of ^

[Krr]

Atmas are broken and need a pseudorandom system. It'll almost certainly be nerfed by the time the next relic tier is out, just like the last relic tier (effectively) was. In the meantime, get good and get your Leviathan/High Allagan poke-sticks. If you can't at least muster that, then frankly, you have no need and no business carrying around bleeding edge endgame gear.