RNG is ruining this game (ATMA QQ post)

[fergalicious]

Guess what?

All the new weapons and highest level gear require RNG.

Want a new weathered weapon? Need unidentified tomestones
Want a new allagan weapon? Pray it drops for you
Want a Leviathan 100 weapon? Wait for the token to drop and you get the lot.
Want a original Turn 5 weapon? RNG as well!

You can't escape the RNG it permeats the world and people need to accept this.

First of all, the unidentified tombstones are 100% drop off T7 and the sands of time to upgrade are 100% off T8, I will be getting mine next week tyvm.

Secondly, a little RNG is fine, we all know every drop isn't going to be 100%. But when you put a sub 5% drop rate and say go farm this 12 times...the people in the small part of the bell curve are gonna have a bad time. Have some compassion for those who suffer, its the humane thing to do in this situation.

[Holyhunter]

First of all, the unidentified tombstones are 100% drop off T7 and the sands of time to upgrade are 100% off T8, I will be getting mine next week tyvm.

Secondly, a little RNG is fine, we all know every drop isn't going to be 100%. But when you put a sub 5% drop rate and say go farm this 12 times...the people in the small part of the bell curve are gonna have a bad time. Have some compassion for those who suffer, its the humane thing to do in this situation.

You aren't suffering. It's an optional side quest in a video game, get over it.

[Sygmaelle]

Way to implement failed argument #2, you clearly read my original post.

Also, I wish I could work for it like others. Unfortunately, everyone has to work for it in their own personal universe of random chance. If my ATMAs take me 500 hours to farm and your take 14, did we work for it the same?

Yes, the same item. Nobody care about the amount of hours. I did read, you just don't want to understand but hey, nice try.

Funniest part is that people are actually complainin for a ilvl 100 weapon that they won't even be able to finish before at least, bare minimum, 2 months just because of the design, like you said. So if its designed that way, why the hell you even bother to complain about how low and unfair the drop rate is.

Spoiler : loot rng is based on rng. Can't stand that generation of spoiled gamers, its like readin Blizzard forums all over again when it's about looting legendaries in Diablo "omg it doesnt drop enough" "omg the affixes are so crap" "OMG X PLAYER GOT SO MUCH MORE THAN ME BUT WHY ON EARTH WHY"

These are ridiculous numbers and in my oppinion we should have either RNG or a lockout, not both.
If we have lockouts, then we should have tokens that we can turn in for items.

It's actually a point I've raised in one of my earlier posts, and funnily enough, more serious people didn't complain about it in 20 different threads that got 15 pages each.

[Keoeson]

Spoiler : loot rng is based on rng.

Spoiler: Everyone saying "rng is rng" has no idea how rng actually work.
There's no single magical rng. We don't know how SE rng works precisly, but we see it at work for crafters/gatherers and there it shows highly unusual distribution patterns. Assuming it's the same, it's safe to say it's highly unfair in this situation.

[Sygmaelle]

it's safe to say it's highly unfair in this situation.

Fairness just doesn't exist here, that's all you need to consider, understand and then accept.

It just doesn't.

Again, on other titles, let me take that Diablo example once more : they are pieces of gear that are legendaries. Pieces of gear that belong to sets that you can only have by killin stuff or lootin chests.

Then you got plans for gear or gems (lets say materias) that can only be dropped by ... yeah you got it, RNG drops, there's not a SINGLE way to obtain it in another maneer, same for legendary gear / some set pieces.

Then, to craft the gear you get by plans you need to farm shit that give a low chance of givin you some mats + salvaging rare drops or havin X pieces of salvaged legendary gear that already doesn't drop a lot.

All of this, absolutely all of this is based on RNG and if you take a look on absolutely all the players profiles / characters you can see that even some of the guys that played for a quite ridiculous amout of hours don't have the half of people that played for half less.

So in Diablo in short you farm for absolutely everything. Your normal gear, then pieces that hopefully drop and aren't trash, then plans of sets or gems you ll eventually get at some point, the said gems, and your basic pieces of armor you need to craft your shit.


And its perfectly fine. Why ? because thats the main incentive of the game. It's exactly the same with the atmas, its not designed for everyone to be rewarded, once again and even the game director himself told so.

So just forget the whole fairness. Just forget the "but i want to be rewarded too i pay for it and invest some of my time, so give me that please or I quit." It just won't happen. Why ? because of ^

[Rivest]

It's actually a point I've raised in one of my earlier posts, and funnily enough, more serious people didn't complain about it in 20 different threads that got 15 pages each.

I feel like it's a cheap way to keep people busy.
Instead of making more greater, more challeging and more vivid way of working your way towards the zodiak weapon, they have decided to make it a FATE farm.
The trials on it's own are more then enough of a grind in my opinion.

As said for the coil, it has come to a point that I clear it just for the challenge and if I get gear from it then it's nice if not then it's okay too.
I will just farm it when it ends up in the duty finder in 6 months time.
It's just a shame that it has come this way of thinking.

[Shinobic]

Oh look its this thread again. Just letting you know that it gets more grindy when you get to the books.

[MrLeonheart]

Oh look its this thread again. Just letting you know that it gets more grindy when you get to the books.

Yes, but at the very least at that point I'll have a means of tracking progress, which makes a world of difference in how tolerable the grind is. As it stands, grinding for Atmas makes me feel like I'm just uselessly spinning my wheels.

[Luciano_Bozzelli]

Yes, but at the very least at that point I'll have a means of tracking progress, which makes a world of difference in how tolerable the grind is. As it stands, grinding for Atmas makes me feel like I'm just uselessly spinning my wheels.

You can track progress.... You got 3 Atmas? Progress... Oh look, now you have 7 Atmas... Your on your way buddy!! Progression... I'm starting to believe the people that make these threads aren't even use to real super hard MMO grinds.

People talking about the drops aren't fair.... Life isn't fair... That's like yelling at a bunch of lottery winners because life is F'd up... Why do they get to buy a ticket and win millions?! Fix the drop rate God!!! I want to win too, derpy derp!! People don't understand that the drop rate isn't broken, or messed up... It's meant to tease you, test you, and make you give up and walk away.

The people that don't give up, and don't walk away, and don't spend 3 hours searching threads to see if they changed it, or make a thread that 30 other people already made complaining about the drops, or watch the thread constantly to see what these 89 people have to say about it.. are out there getting their drops while you are on here typing and complaining. I drop by every now and then, but I play the game, and i'm willing to bet, if some people played the game more than they come on here to complain, they might have their drops too.

And I agree with what someone else said in this thread about not being able to duck the RNG. After I got my Animus someone tried to downplay it, like I worked hard for nothing... And I corrected them... I grinded hard for my Animus, no different from the man who fought Leviathan 30 times and didn't see his weapon drop. So your gonna continue to go for the Leviathan weapon which will be replaced by the Ra'muh weapon, while instead of fighting Ra'muh i'll be upgrading my Animus.... Hmmm, doesn't really matter what you spend time on, I just rather spend mines on something I can endlessly upgrade instead of skipping through cutscenes, not enjoying the story you paid for, because you want to rush to fight Leviathan 30 times, and then another 30 times to try to out lot 7 people who need a mirror. Haha.. hahaha

I'm sorry I couldn't add anything really intelligent here, but I'm tired, and sleepy, but I just couldn't resist coming in another I hate Atma's thread... Remember the guy who tried to start an Atma petition? Damn, he rather spend time trying to get digital signatures, than actually trying to get his Atma... He wild.

[Rivest]

In my oppinion the RNG is not the biggest problem.
The problem here is that there are lockouts in combination with RNG.

To put this in perspective:

Me and my static have been farming T5 for quite a time.
We had a few weapons such as Spear, knuckles and SCH book drop quite often and some wouldnt drop.
After Patch 2.2 we still didn't have all weapons including the Paladin sword (x2), so we decided to farm T5.

We had farmed 1 and a half weeks before the sword first dropped.
We're talking about 7-8 wins per day for around 10 days.
On the last day it finally dropped and 2 wins afterwards it dropped again.
Now that means it took 7-8 * 10 to drop = 70-80
70 / 4 = 17,5 = 17 and a half months of farming (with a lockout) = one and a half year of farming (with a lockout).
80 / 4 = 20 = 20 months of farming (with a lockout) = one and 2/3 year of farming (with a lockout).

These are ridiculous numbers and in my oppinion we should have either RNG or a lockout, not both.
If we have lockouts, then we should have tokens that we can turn in for items.