Square...Bethesda has the right approach.

[LillithaFenimore]

Well here is the thing about The Elder Scrolls Series and Final Fantasy Online games....TES is a console game not an MMO. And XI and XIV are MMO....so....there is a world of difference I think when it comes to designing these types of games. In TES is only you, and maybe some summons going through a sandbox type environment.

Typically people who play MMO's want to be able to team up with a friend (duo with a buddy like me and my husband) or make a large scale party to take down some baddy...

I wouldn't want another gaming company who doesn't have EXP builing an MMO coming in and telling another what to do....Now....if you want to say Blizzard should say "Hey SE...want a hand?" then yeah...I would say "Blizzard you should probably like...help out your competetor" or something They at least have successful exp making and launching an MMO (BTW I've never played WOW so no I'm not trying to say I prefer one or the other, just making a point...comparing apples to oranges..."

[Arcell]

Chocobo Armor!

[SilvertearRen]

I can't say I agree with releasing a game full of bugs and "Fixing them" a year down the road.

At least Bethseda does a better job of communicating with its audience. Better than Square Enix.

[SilvertearRen]

Well here is the thing about The Elder Scrolls Series and Final Fantasy Online games....TES is a console game not an MMO. And XI and XIV are MMO....so....there is a world of difference I think when it comes to designing these types of games. In TES is only you, and maybe some summons going through a sandbox type environment.

Typically people who play MMO's want to be able to team up with a friend (duo with a buddy like me and my husband) or make a large scale party to take down some baddy...

I wouldn't want another gaming company who doesn't have EXP builing an MMO coming in and telling another what to do....Now....if you want to say Blizzard should say "Hey SE...want a hand?" then yeah...I would say "Blizzard you should probably like...help out your competetor" or something They at least have successful exp making and launching an MMO (BTW I've never played WOW so no I'm not trying to say I prefer one or the other, just making a point...comparing apples to oranges..."

Reality Check, Kitty!

Oblivion, Morrowind, etc are all massive worlds. They are also a bit sandbox-like. A lot of the experience they gained in creating these games can easily be applied to world-building in MMOs.

It's just the networking/UI/multiplayer interaction systems they have little experience on, but is easily resolved by headhunting for the right man for the right job. No need to hire a massive new crew for an MMO. Heck, it is known that Bethseda has an MMO in the works...

[LillithaFenimore]

Reality Check, Kitty!

Oblivion, Morrowind, etc are all massive worlds. They are also a bit sandbox-like. A lot of the experience they gained in creating these games can easily be applied to world-building in MMOs.

It's just the networking/UI/multiplayer interaction systems they have little experience on, but is easily resolved by headhunting for the right man for the right job. No need to hire a massive new crew for an MMO. Heck, it is known that Bethseda has an MMO in the works...

Sorry I don't know much about game design! :P Yes you are right, they would need to hire the right people...something SE clearly forgot to do T_T when they were first creating XIV. Well hopefully the crew they have now will make it grown by leaps and bounds *cheer*

Bethesda has an MMO in the works? Ru'oh! I love me some TES! I hope it's a TES online...Sorry SE :/ Big fan of the Kajit! Miquo'te have nothing on them! :P

[kukurumei]

Considering how buggy Bethesda games are in general, and how archaic their formulas are... I have to call pot-kettle here.

Not to mention their scaling formulas are like some of the worse I have played. when a wolf can KO your epic end game avatar, something is seriously wrong.

But anyway, Bethesda SP/Co-Op games and MMOs can't really cross all that easily. SP you want buggy-free, MMO you want balance. A game that's bug free but lack balance in a SP simply means to cheat or not to cheat but still have a clean experience. In MMO, it means people log off and never log back in, bugs are just something you avoid.

All of which has little to do with why FF14 turned out so badly. FF14 was badly conceived, badly managed, and badly QAed.

If some one told FF14 people that the dancing chicken suit wasn't funny before going on stage. No matter how you manage it how you perfect it, it's ultimately going to be the same fate.

[Cendres]

What!? I asked for cake...

But all we have is pie! :O {I'm sorry}

[SilvertearRen]

Sorry I don't know much about game design! :P Yes you are right, they would need to hire the right people...something SE clearly forgot to do T_T when they were first creating XIV. Well hopefully the crew they have now will make it grown by leaps and bounds *cheer*

Bethesda has an MMO in the works? Ru'oh! I love me some TES! I hope it's a TES online...Sorry SE :/ Big fan of the Kajit! Miquo'te have nothing on them! :P

Also, Don't forget, Bethseda is a PC game maker first and foremost. While their recent iterations of Oblivion and Fallout 3 used a consoleized interface, I think they've learned their lessons and changed their development approaches regarding Skyrim so that they don't repeat the same mistake.

PC-centric game development for the win!

[Verecund]

PC-centric game development for the win!

Now all we need to do is get SE to realize that the overwhelming majority of MMO players are on the PC...

[kukurumei]

Now all we need to do is get SE to realize that the overwhelming majority of MMO players are on the PC...

Yes and no. In terms of audience and the competition level. Console is still smarter. It can work for and against, really no clear right and wrong.

PC MMO is a super saturated market, console is still wide open.