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  1. #1
    Player
    Raestloz's Avatar
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    Vonelis Heischield
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    Tiamat
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    Conjurer Lv 50

    Regarding open world Heavy

    Short version:
    please remove it

    Long version:
    I have never really counted, so I'd say that there are more than one people asking for open world content to be "more dangerous". Dangerous as in there are open world content that can kill you even if you're iLevel 70. I can symphatize with that, but Heavy is NOT being more dangerous

    A Wild Heavy Appears
    Heavy is mostly inflicted by high level monsters (the ones near Primal grounds) or the inconspicuous ones (such as the Overgrown Offerings in South Shroud). The problem with Heavy is that it's simply annoying, because:
    1. Monster-inflicted Heavy is not subject to Diminishing Returns. This means that every time Heavy procs, you'll be slowed for 20 more seconds
    2. Most, if not all Heavy inflicting attacks are ranged
    3. The monsters can chase you for quite a distance. Especially in flat areas such as Sylphlands

    Not Really Useful
    The monsters in question generally can't kill you, and when they can Heavy is generally the least of your problems. In an open world, people just want to move from point A to point B, and not interested in killing monsters. When they DO want to kill the monsters, they don't need Heavy as an incentive to stay

    Sure, if you're undergeared, Heavy is a difference between life and death, but that's all its use. Once you are better geared and have better defense/HP, Heavy is just another annoying thing in the open world

    Just Please, Remove It
    I don't know the purpose of Heavy, but if the purpose is "to make the world more dangerous". It simply hasn't accomplished it, and frankly will never work by itself. If you want to make the world more dangerous, please also give a way to counter it. And no, walking together with a healer everywhere is not an option. Would you rather make the DF even drier?
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    Lord_Zlatan's Avatar
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    Zlatan Tarrant
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    Famfrit
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    just kill them if they cast heavy.
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    Suki-'s Avatar
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    Yui Yhisa
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    Mateus
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    Gladiator Lv 30
    Heavy makes me want to slaughter everything in sight. /rage
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    Zlatan Tarrant
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    Famfrit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suki- View Post
    Heavy makes me want to slaughter everything in sight. /rage
    the slaughter is the price they pay for impeding my journey.
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    Boo Box
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    Rafflesia
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    Sage Lv 100
    I am so for this. It really serves no purpose other than to annoy. To add to this, why even allow aggro while mounted anyway? It's not like there are NMs to be camping or any real open world content where we could gain an advantage by sitting on our ponies. Just don't allow exp gain while mounted, and that would take care of things.
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    Soveia Shadowsong
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    Odin
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Raestloz View Post
    Heavy is mostly inflicted by high level monsters (the ones near Primal grounds) or the inconspicuous ones (such as the Overgrown Offerings in South Shroud).
    This is wrong. Almost every aggressive mob in the game can do this, you just don't see it because you are level 50, so only level 40+ mobs are aggressive towards you and because most aggressive mobs outside beatmen areas are melee only. You can also only get the Heavy if you are hit from behind while mounted.
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    lackofwords's Avatar
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    Dalimin Dataru
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    Hyperion
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    +1, I agree.

    It wasn't until a few weeks ago that I've noticed again that it was actually Heavy debuff, and not the mount being Lamed debuff (which I think was 1.0).
    When I've noticed that (while on whm), I've just dismounted and Esuna the Heavy debuff off myself, and sprinted away on my merry way.

    It's nothing more than an annoyance now, rather than me fearing that I will be wrecked when my mount gets lamed heavy and tosses me off onto the floor.
    Wait... do they even auto-dismount anymore if you take too much damage?... Yeah, it's been that long that I don't even remember.
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    Ampersand Kai
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    Gilgamesh
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    Replace Heavy with mobs gaining auto-sprint and have them hop around you and your mount using insulting emotes while they ineffectually poke at you. Just as (entirely not) threatening, but a much more fun kind of annoying.

    Or do something to make the situation actually threatening. That'd be fine, too.
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  9. #9
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    Zlatan Tarrant
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bixby View Post
    Replace Heavy with mobs gaining auto-sprint and have them hop around you and your mount using insulting emotes while they ineffectually poke at you. Just as (entirely not) threatening, but a much more fun kind of annoying.

    Or do something to make the situation actually threatening. That'd be fine, too.
    Like that amaljaa casting flare on you. that would be a lot more fun.

    I have a feeling this thread is about to turn into something else.
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  10. #10
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    KhalidTheGreat's Avatar
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    Swift Claw
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    Odin
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Suki- View Post
    Heavy makes me want to slaughter everything in sight. /rage
    5, 4, 3 .... Another heavy.

    RAAAAGE
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