Community Ignored about Atma?

[Duuude007]

the topic is about the atma and the atmas bad drop rate and locking players out of content due to it is what i have been taking about

What content are you, a Zenith weapon wielder, locked out of? Turn 7? No. Main Story? No. Then, what?

And please don't say that atma-animus counts as 'content', it is just as grindy as atmas, with a list of stuff to kill, instead of an-open-ended fate free-for-all.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

By that logic, everything after the main quest is just killing things for the sake of it.

[losttemplar6]

And please don't say that atma-animus counts as 'content', it is just as grindy as atmas, with a list of stuff to kill, instead of an-open-ended fate free-for-all.[/QUOTE]

okay you clearly dont do alot of pugs of content and yes every day normal content such as dungeon runs for a prime example where it is extreamly noticable if you walk into some of the 50 dungeons and dont have full min level 80-90 gear people will leave the dungeon that is locking people out of content due to gear plane and simple and on the reliec quest your only looking at now and not even the big picture of what is going on in the community right now far as running content goes where players are getting left out of running stuff now the relic quest is going to be expanded on and raiders will still raid and people will still farm primals thus increasing there gear what chance do people who dont run that content and cant even get there atmas to drop have to be able to compete or participate in future content there is a big picture here steming from a very large growing problem i am all for a hard quest that should be equally as challenging as getting a raid weapon for the same thing just dont leave people beind cause they are unlucky

[Legacy_Wolfwood]

snip from all your post

ex primes and up are the only things i can see people really worrying about i80+ gear. but i will give someone a chance with i75+ gear. we have echo for ex primals and coil now. so as long as they know what they are doing and can hold their own. i dont mind. If we have to baby them and they jumped in without any form of reasearch, holding that they are new and just winging it, and cannot play their job effectively, then they are just hurting the team itself.

also, if you are complaining about gear, you can go from fresh 50 to equipped with a zenith in less than a day... you can get carried all the way through the questline due to people completing trial roulette just for extra myths. Also myths are very easy to get even for a fresh 50. the roulettes give you a chunk and you just run wp/ak till you have gear drops or myth to upgrade.

if people are leaving wp/ak due to your gear, as long as it is i50 average, then they can just eat the timer. if its due to not knowing how to play the job, that is a different matter....

also all atma does is turn your zenith into a different color, lose glow, increase item level, and change the name... no stats are changed what so ever... You have to use 1500 myth every time to get a book to farm to increase 1 stat 1-2 pts... if you are worried about that and not your gear (as you are claiming), then you have your priorities in the wrong place. people downed t9 with a zenith. teams have downed hm's/ex's/t1-5 with ~i70-i90 PRE echo...

worry about using your myth and soldery on your gear. learning to play your job at the optimal level, and learning/reaserching content before you worry about your atma

[losttemplar6]

still missing the point i have seen this behavior in the game on a regular basis this is not get gear grind this is people who dont allow player to run content cause they que for a pug and the people trying to get gear in content arent where these people want them to be so they can be in and out in 15 mins this problem has gotten even worse with 2.2 as alot of people are using df to farm myth instead of doing premade groups and queing together and still leads back to atma atma is all luck based i repeat luck based thus getting the weapon has no bearing on finding a group of people to run with or learning mechanics or even grinding out certain bosses to get the drop you need so people have been farming for 1-2+ weeks in 1 zone for a atma drop and still have yet to see it drop those are the people i worry about since right now sure you may not need a atma but guess what a tank who has there zenith agains some dps classes with there animus and those dps doing full burns they cant keep up or will struggle to do so i see it all the time with raiders in pugs verse normal tanks they struggle when the raiders do there normal burn rotation healers are ten forced to do more work instead of just giving a level playing field for dungeon content it has been steadly tilting and as the game progresses it may be small numbers now but guess what happens in a few months as the numbers get bigger and bigger the difference grows and this is a problem and it could be nipped in the butt right here for future content dont put in rng on a progression weapon when its some players only choice for a weapon

[losttemplar6]

and fyi i personally am item lev 91 sch and 93 whm working on my second book for whm animus so im deff geared well i am worried bout the new players comming and worried about players who dont wanna raid or do ex primals as either they dont have the time for them or just dont wanna do them the animus for them is there only option for progression and the rng factor is not fair to them primal drops can get fixed why cant atmas least have complete x fates in x zone or a stacking buff for each fate completed in a zone to increase the drop chance say .5 or 1 percent chance per fate completed increase

also dont take credit for either of those 2 ideas both i agree are great ideas thats why i keep bringing them up and hope they both or least one gets put int for a replacement to rng system

those are the 2 biggest ideas i see flying around when regarding to atmas that severly need a buff and need to be taken with the same severity as a broken raid cause something goes wrong with a raid drop rate all hell breaks loses this is no different as it is on par with raid weapons so all hell should break lose over this and not get passed over

[Legacy_Wolfwood]

in a pug, a good tank, heck most tanks, can hold hate from a 10 ilvl wep difference dps...besides, its also the dps job to make sure to not over take the tank anyways. Also in most content, there are objectives that the dps have to help complete that makes them stop anyways. during those times the tank is consistently building hate.

if you are zerging something, you better make sure the healer can do what you want, otherwise normal play the healer should be fine as long as they arent really under geared. If they are meeting just the minimal requirements, then they should think about doing it at a later date.

and no, in a few months, we will see coil at max echo and people farming t5 weps and levi will eventually get echo too, then the 2nd coil will start its echo progress, so i dont see any problem for future content. So players who are casual, not raiding the newest content, and refuse to try and get into or form a static will be fine progressing slowly behind the people who are "harecore" or who are working hard to get into groups that will do the progression stuff.

They do not NEED animus to complete any current content, all it does is help it become easier. If they dont want to raid or dont want to do ex's or just do not have the time, then the point of animus is just for vanity and then they should be fine slowly working for it still.

Primal drops didnt get fixed, its still the same thing. just added the shields due to the fact tanks/whms needed 2 mirrors instead of the other classes. It still has to drop.

Also, zenith got nerfed. how about waiting till later when atma will probably eventually get a nerf in some way. besides, like you said, if they dont have time or dont want to do raids/ex's they dont have an immediate need for it anyways.

What are those players trying to progress towards? to do endgame content with max echo while being overgeared? your worries arent really worries but just trying to make current content easier to obtain and to force the speed that makes older content obsolete