Community Ignored about Atma?

[zeez]

Just about to hit 11 hours in Central Than over the last 3 sessions. Not 1 atma drop here but I've witnessed others claim to get and leave all the time.
I don't mind the working towards something part but I don't like the feeling that 11 hours for 1 atma and I see others post 12 hours and I got them all because that is crap.

What should have happened is that it kept track of all your fates in this zone. Everytime you get a gold medal +3%, every silver 2%, bronze 1% then at WORST case your looking at 100 fates per zone which is a crapton!

The fact that im hoping for something that is becoming more and more frustrating while others collect 12 in the same time is bs.

[Worm]

I do wonder if future content will have challenges where you NEED the Atma weapons, causing people to be booted if they don't have said weapons for optimal DPS.

Maybe you need to let this whole Atma thing out of your teeth?

It's not a challenge at all, it's a timesink. Those are two very different things.

Again you're just hyper focusing here. Those people might mean challenge but what they really mean is rewarding. They feel rewarded AFTER getting their Atma, now they might only feel rewarded because of luck or something, but it still feels rewarding to them. Really what is challenging content to you? Dungeons aren't challenging to me, heck they barely are fun to me they're so easy now. It's a personal thing, challenge.

Also you'd like Atma to drop from final bosses? So just make it endlessly more difficut? Come off it. I know people who haven't gotten their drops yet are upset, but it will be changed by the end of the month. Sitting around the forum trying to diminish other people's accomplishments or enjoyment of the game is something that should be below you.

The fact that im hoping for something that is becoming more and more frustrating while others collect 12 in the same time is bs.

This is really a common complaint and it just amazes me. It makes me think people haven't done grinding for rare drops before. I'll agree there should have been some drop rate adjustment built into this, but there wasn't. It's going to change by the end of the month. I honestly don't like the idea of a grind with a built in nerf date, but that's the way it is.

[zeez]

Worm have you ever grinded for 12 super rare drops that was needed to make 1 thing? But that wasn't the end of the rare drop because you need to grind books and myths and grind and grind... What the complaint is that not is it only a RNG thing, its 12 RNG things and when you have them all its just the beginning of the quest not the end. I have played FF11 and Everquest both for years so I am not one for instant gratification but this is a little extreme here.

Im about at 12 hours while I type this message in 15 min or so. I collected one atma over a week just doing fates while I do beast tribe quests so I get the you can do other things arguments. I also understand that this helps new player arguments as well. I just think there should have been more thought put into these than stay here for 1 min to 1 week and hope you get lucky 12 times.

[Mikh]

Good to know that you speak for every single person expressing that view on this forum, Worm. Guess I must've misunderstood every single one of them when they said they liked that it was challenging. They didn't actually mean what they said. You sure showed me. Seriously, though, are you that bad at reading or are you just trolling? I already said the lack of challenge wasn't what bothered me, so the fact that dungeons aren't very challenging doesn't really matter at all. I said that to me dungeons were more fun. This is a game, it's supposed to be fun. I don't pay other people to let me work, I get paid for that.

Really, considering in the same post you said that dungeons aren't challenging and then told me I was suggesting something "endlessly more difficult", I'm just assuming you're trolling now.

[Worm]

Really, considering in the same post you said that dungeons aren't challenging and then told me I was suggesting something "endlessly more difficult", I'm just assuming you're trolling now.

You can get lucky and go over 4 fates an hour, dungeons will always be at best 3 or 4 an hour. Not to mention unless you have a farming group of four you're going to have to use duty finder and all that comes along with that. Honestly, why the hell would you think I was talking about anything but the logistics of the run? Could you imagine being on your 700th(!!!!!!!!) dungeon without an Atma drop? Why would I think a FATE was more challenging than a dungeon? You're trying to misunderstand on purpose I hope.

I have played FF11 and Everquest both for years so I am not one for instant gratification but this is a little extreme here.

Did you get mad then when someone got a drop before you? I'm pretty sure getting Journeyman Boots was harder than doing Atma. I'm not even defending the Atma grind but all this obsession with linguistics is just irritating. Babbling on and on about challenge and difficulty, you'd think they'd want some system where it's just a few F16 pilots walking around with their Animus. Also yeah I'm on my second book right now, the grind is painful I did either 600 or 700 fates in all and I feel pretty lucky with that but I wouldn't have been surprised if it took 1000 or more. It's certainly not good content but that doesn't make the people offering general complaints about RNG or grinding right.

[Raucent]

Worm you keep saying it will change within a month, what evidence do you have to this? SE has said NOTHING related to atmas, they commented on Leviathan mirror drop upgrades, fixes to gear typos, some hints at the next bit of CT work but nothin on Atma RNG timesink

[Vesuvias]

Worm you keep saying it will change within a month, what evidence do you have to this? SE has said NOTHING related to atmas, they commented on Leviathan mirror drop upgrades, fixes to gear typos, some hints at the next bit of CT work but nothin on Atma RNG timesink

Thank you, you deserve a commendation

[AmyNeudaiz]

He takes my commendations too

[Worm]

Gosh look at you guys, trying to hold me to my words like I'm a developer. Anyway I can't find an interview saying it a new aspect of it will be added in 2.25 and a lot of people on the forum think it's going to be some sort of way to make it easier. Sorry I can't find the information for you, but someone else mentioned it will be made easier then and I just kind of trusted that person. Either way, keep losing it over Atma as long as you want.

Maybe they'll let you skip the RNG and then you can get to the awesome Book aspect, which is somehow much more appealing to people?

[Pooky_Pasha]

I never expect any kind of comments from the devs, especially considering how quick the forum community is to take what is said and twist it, distort it, read stuff into that isn't there. Really, if they did give feedback on it, it would just spawn more QQ threads. If they don't, it still spawns QQ threads. It's not the crappy RNG (all RNG is crappy, but it's a basic tool of MMOs and table top games), or the crappy FATES that's killing the fun of this game for people, it's the obsession of how crappy the tools are. I personally thought that the relic quest was just as brain-dead boring and easy as ATMA farming, especially after the first time through it. All the devs did was listen to thousands of QQ posts pre-2.2 equating timesinks and crappy RNG to "difficulty" because somehow that made FFXI "hard."