Community Ignored about Atma?

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

Please define "difficulty" in FATE farming for a random drop.

The "difficulty" is in your effort. I know people bitch about others getting their atma in 3 hours where they have been grinding for days. Well guess what? Those that got theirs also had to actually DO the work to get atmas. They weren't just sitting around More Donuts and SUDDENLY 12 atmas appeared in their inventory.

Those who like to complain about how "unfair" this quest line is. If you're really struggling that hard with it, then just end yourselves. If you can't handle a simple thing like FATE farming, then just give up. Life is so much harder than playing a game.

And how is farming for FATEs different from farming for items? You did it pre-Zodiac, not ONCE did I hear anyone complain about things. Suddenly you're being asked to do the SAME THING YOU'VE BEEN DOING BEFORE and now it's "hard?" Reminds me of a line from a story: "This porridge is too hot. This porridge is too cold. /cry"

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

I have constantly worked on FATEs in between DF's but I just don't have to the time to drop 8+ hours a day because of work and life. If there is a dice roll, can you please make it reasonable? We want to get better chances at getting this when most of us have an 8-5 and school to deal with, make it a little better for the simple working man who wants to enjoy an MMO with their friends instead of luck grinding.

8-5 school? I'm putting in 14 hour shifts at work and still have enough time to grind. And I'm enjoying it. No one's putting a gun to your head, forcing you to do it. The most time I've devoted to grinding is maybe 2 hours max. It's not even that hard.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Of course it's not hard! You just have to sit at your computer waiting and waiting some more! Hope those events pop!

[Worm]

Yet another irreverent chiming in from good old Miles. Why can't this just be one of those great skill grinds where more and more people are washed out until there is well ... just Miles at the end, since he seems to be the final arbiter one what is and isn't hard I can't imagine a true skill based challenge (whatever that is) would stop him.

[losttemplar6]

so as i look over this thread i am reminded of the turtle from kung fu panda to atma not to atma i have seen interesting good points brought up i agree with some some i disagree with one person used a refference of atma havig a percentage drop they dont its like the saying in the jungle you must wait till the dice read 5 or 8 and the dice have unknow number of sides so watch out for the monsoon cause your gonna be there for 5 mins or 5 months

with that being i have no clue how the relic quest worked in 11 and cant compair it but i know hard quests for rare gear i remember the days of the old games where 6 months just to get a chance to steal a key that opens up the dungeon door and having no clue whats inside and knowing your probally gonna die and there is no doing it over again the key is lost forever

i love the idea of luck in quests and story when its used right but to base a quest around it will leave people stuck as yoshi did state why story mode battles levi moogle mog hm primal myth gear even coil 1-5 getting the nerf bat he dont want players stuck on content on unable to progress

but moving on from that if you raid there is an alternitive getting the lev 100 weapon from the vender in rev toll if you dont raid that option is gone hard mode leviathan and farm for mirrors another option but if you dont have a good group or part of a good fc that runs that content then you cant do that really efficently ether thus only leaving the zodiac weapon quest for advancment of weapon now right now every bonus helps so much even running daily dungeons i know im a item lev 90 whm and 87 sch if i cant gear running dungeons becomes hard due to everyone who is getting gear wants to speed run everything if i cant keep up i get kicked or they leave thus ruining my time in the game and leaving it to where i cant enjoy the game

so yes this is something that really should be fixed cause for some people really its the only alternative to gear that we have and that latter we will get left behind and then get to point where we cant play and enjoy the game and we shouldnt have to wait till conetent is given to us just so we can still play and enjoy the game cause one style of gameplay isnt our thing

now i deff am not saying nerf the zodiac quest just fix the atmas to be optainable in the same kinda timeframe it would take to get the other weapons 2-3 weeks of grinding for a atma weapon seems extreamly reasonable to me would be bout the same for raiding anyway and levi should be a changed as well as the mirrors when tehy drop should just apear to a random player in the party or be given to each player in the party since all worked equal to get such a rare drop

just my 2 cents

have a great day

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I do wonder if future content will have challenges where you NEED the Atma weapons, causing people to be booted if they don't have said weapons for optimal DPS.

[Yahavage]

I quite like how it works. FATEs are highly accesible content, making it very easy for someone like me who is trying to squeeze atma farming time in between everything else and work... sure, I spent a long time in Western La Noscea, and I currently only have 5 atmas... but I'm chipping away as and when I can. Also, it's not like you don't get anything from FATE spamming... FC points, GC seals (which I'm burning through pretty fast on ventures) and a little bit of gil to boot.
That's my thoughts anyway!

[Ilitsa]

Also, it's not like you don't get anything from FATE spamming... FC points, GC seals (which I'm burning through pretty fast on ventures) and a little bit of gil to boot.
That's my thoughts anyway!

That's pretty much how i saw it. I run a very small FC (me, my fiance and a couple friends that decide to log in here or there, it's basically just me and her though), and we've leveled our FC almost all the way through rank 6 just getting my Gae Bolg Atma, it was a nice incentive for me to do these FATEs, personally

[Mikh]

You guys keep beating on this drum but, what is challenge? What is difficulty?

Frankly, I don't care if it's challenging or not. All I'm doing is refuting the people saying that the system is working fine because now it's a challenge to get your relic upgrade. It's not a challenge at all, it's a timesink. Those are two very different things. How about the people that think this is fine because it's 'challenging' explain themselves?

[Mikh]

What I want out of this is just for it to be less boring. I don't feel like the upgrade is worth all the time it takes doing FATEs, which I consider the most tedious part of this game. That's why I'm not doing it. Hell, if the drop rate was this bad but the atma were all drops from the final bosses of dungeons, I'd be fine with it. Dungeons are fun to do. FATEs aren't. But then, I'm the crazy one that leveled off dungeons before 2.1 so I'm probably alone there.