Community Ignored about Atma?

[Cassandaria]

You know, as I read these comments and not being a fan of the atma myself, I do have to ask. Why is it people get exactly what they are asking, begging and complaining for, then complain about getting what they begged for? The player base wanted this to be more luck based, drops functioning like ffxi because of nostalgia goggles, people complaining that the game was too easy and didn't have long, hard, challenging quests that contained obnoxious levels of randomness because they think that's what they want.
Seriously, I don't like the system any more than anyone else seems to, but the end result is, you all asked for this system, so, be careful what you wish for in the future, you just might get it.
The player based has blinders on and forgets to understand the difference between punishing and challenging. Most content in XI was punishing, not challenging, it was hard because it was random. Well, congratulations, now we have a luck based system for the first phase. Guess what though, after you finish that? there's something you can make steady, consistent progress on, so everyone is happy, yet no one is.

[lordparanoia]

The thing that drives me insane is that yoshida replied to the "mirror of the whorl" problem and is not giving importance to this problem.

Thank you SE

[Raucent]

The biggest complaint about atma is the RNG. If they had kept the fates but had it be say, get Gold rank on Lou Carcolh 20x, vs gold in any fate at a completely random chance, there would be less (no chance of pleasing everyone) complaining about the atma farm. Hell it took me 52 hours 200+ fates for Central Thanalan yet i went 1 fate only in Southern Thanalan.

[Ilitsa]

I just recently completed my Atma Gae Bolg after close to 100 hours. The -only- complaint that I had about it, was the whole low level FATE thing. I think they should have made it be the level 45+ FATEs only, personally, or had let us use an alt to level it while doing this. I do admit, it'd be nice to see an actual response one way or another on this subject.

[LanceAurion]

I'd like to know what Yoshida will ever do with this. I have constantly worked on FATEs in between DF's but I just don't have to the time to drop 8+ hours a day because of work and life. I get maybe 3 hours tops a day to play and that it devoted to Turn 5 or Sol grind. I'm not upset that he made it so we have to put some time into it, but I've had FC members walking out day 1 only 12 hours after patch with all 12 while others are doing hundreds just for 1. If there is a luck counter mechanic in the game, how can I dump points into it since it's 0? If there is a dice roll, can you please make it reasonable? We want to get better chances at getting this when most of us have an 8-5 and school to deal with, make it a little better for the simple working man who wants to enjoy an MMO with their friends instead of luck grinding.

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

I have constantly worked on FATEs in between DF's but I just don't have to the time to drop 8+ hours a day because of work and life. If there is a dice roll, can you please make it reasonable? We want to get better chances at getting this when most of us have an 8-5 and school to deal with, make it a little better for the simple working man who wants to enjoy an MMO with their friends instead of luck grinding.

8-5 school? I'm putting in 14 hour shifts at work and still have enough time to grind. And I'm enjoying it. No one's putting a gun to your head, forcing you to do it. The most time I've devoted to grinding is maybe 2 hours max. It's not even that hard.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Of course it's not hard! You just have to sit at your computer waiting and waiting some more! Hope those events pop!

[Worm]

Yet another irreverent chiming in from good old Miles. Why can't this just be one of those great skill grinds where more and more people are washed out until there is well ... just Miles at the end, since he seems to be the final arbiter one what is and isn't hard I can't imagine a true skill based challenge (whatever that is) would stop him.

[losttemplar6]

so as i look over this thread i am reminded of the turtle from kung fu panda to atma not to atma i have seen interesting good points brought up i agree with some some i disagree with one person used a refference of atma havig a percentage drop they dont its like the saying in the jungle you must wait till the dice read 5 or 8 and the dice have unknow number of sides so watch out for the monsoon cause your gonna be there for 5 mins or 5 months

with that being i have no clue how the relic quest worked in 11 and cant compair it but i know hard quests for rare gear i remember the days of the old games where 6 months just to get a chance to steal a key that opens up the dungeon door and having no clue whats inside and knowing your probally gonna die and there is no doing it over again the key is lost forever

i love the idea of luck in quests and story when its used right but to base a quest around it will leave people stuck as yoshi did state why story mode battles levi moogle mog hm primal myth gear even coil 1-5 getting the nerf bat he dont want players stuck on content on unable to progress

but moving on from that if you raid there is an alternitive getting the lev 100 weapon from the vender in rev toll if you dont raid that option is gone hard mode leviathan and farm for mirrors another option but if you dont have a good group or part of a good fc that runs that content then you cant do that really efficently ether thus only leaving the zodiac weapon quest for advancment of weapon now right now every bonus helps so much even running daily dungeons i know im a item lev 90 whm and 87 sch if i cant gear running dungeons becomes hard due to everyone who is getting gear wants to speed run everything if i cant keep up i get kicked or they leave thus ruining my time in the game and leaving it to where i cant enjoy the game

so yes this is something that really should be fixed cause for some people really its the only alternative to gear that we have and that latter we will get left behind and then get to point where we cant play and enjoy the game and we shouldnt have to wait till conetent is given to us just so we can still play and enjoy the game cause one style of gameplay isnt our thing

now i deff am not saying nerf the zodiac quest just fix the atmas to be optainable in the same kinda timeframe it would take to get the other weapons 2-3 weeks of grinding for a atma weapon seems extreamly reasonable to me would be bout the same for raiding anyway and levi should be a changed as well as the mirrors when tehy drop should just apear to a random player in the party or be given to each player in the party since all worked equal to get such a rare drop

just my 2 cents

have a great day

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I do wonder if future content will have challenges where you NEED the Atma weapons, causing people to be booted if they don't have said weapons for optimal DPS.