SCH macro troubles

[Wolf_Gang]

Why are you guys pairing Fey Illumination and Rouse?

That's overkill for a regen. Whispering dawn is only 21s and almost all of that will over heal.

[Manuka]

Why are you guys pairing Fey Illumination and Rouse?

That's overkill for a regen. Whispering dawn is only 21s and almost all of that will over heal.

Because it's the most efficient use of those CDs. The whole purpose of AoE HoT's is to top a party off after heavy raid wide-damage the quickest and cheapest means possible while continuing to focus the tank. While Rouse, Fey Illumination and Whispering Dawn is pretty overkill the HoT is so potent that your fellow WHM can completely forgo using Medica/2 or Cure 3 after heavy party damage which in turn conserves their MP pool at the cost of a relatively short 2min CD (compared to their 3min SoS). Like, if you're using FI to simply boost overall heals by 20% it's all gonna go to waste over-healing the tank, which for a 2min CD is fairly pointless. In that situation you're better off dropping Sacred Soil and Virus/Eye for an Eye to reduce overall damage.

[EvianEverdeen]

Why are you guys pairing Fey Illumination and Rouse?

That's overkill for a regen. Whispering dawn is only 21s and almost all of that will over heal.

I have my Fey Illumination tied to a Rouse Macro and Whispering Dawn by itself. To answer your question, the only time I'd ever really need to even hit Whispering Dawn is in a time when I will actually need it. In that case, I definitely want the over heal. It also conserves MP if you get topped off quick and makes Titan's Weight of the Land and plumes a joke.

[Wolf_Gang]

Because it's the most efficient use of those CDs. The whole purpose of AoE HoT's is to top a party off after heavy raid wide-damage the quickest and cheapest means possible while continuing to focus the tank. While Rouse, Fey Illumination and Whispering Dawn is pretty overkill the HoT is so potent that your fellow WHM can completely forgo using Medica/2 or Cure 3

Efficient? How? I can't think of any situation pre-coil2 that requires that strong of a HoT that doesn't immediately go to waste within 5 secs of casting it. Rouse + WD alone will produce the same result every single time.
The reality is, your partner WHM will continue to cast Medica II oblivious to whatever fancy buff you cast further adding to the over healing.

I much rather use Fey illum independently in situations where WD is not up. e.g. buffing a WHM's HoTs because yours are down.

[Manuka]

Efficient? How? I can't think of any situation pre-coil2 that requires that strong of a HoT that doesn't immediately go to waste within 5 secs of casting it. Rouse + WD alone will produce the same result every single time.
The reality is, your partner WHM will continue to cast Medica II oblivious to whatever fancy buff you cast further adding to the over healing.

I much rather use Fey illum independently in situations where WD is not up. e.g. buffing a WHM's HoTs because yours are down.

You're overlooking the fact that both Tanks continue to benefit greatly from the empowered HoT for its whole duration. Lets say we ignore the party wide aspect and look at from a single target perspective; During Fey Illuminations 20sec duration Eos's Embrace will only heal an additional 300-400 health while a Rouse/FI/WD heals that much in a single tick. Granted in this example the most efficient route would be to cast Fey Illumination and pop Rouse/WD during the last 5 secs of FI to get the best bang for your buck but that's besides the point. It's just that on a pure HPS basis if you cast FI and both Rouse/WD are off CD there really isn't much reason not to use them, even if only two members of your team will feel the full benefit, simply because those two skills are on such a low CD. Also don't get me wrong, if R/WD is on CD and suddenly things go terribly wrong and you need that extra oomph then you should cast Fey Illumination, no question.
Another big reason why I usually pair Rouse and FI together, and this doesn't apply to everyone, is that I try to actively DPS as often as I can and the 20sec duration is perfect without worrying about that Dragoon that attracts damage like a magnet. Just plop a Sacred Soil, go cleric and lay down all your dots and start casting Shadow Flare which always finishes casting about a sec after SS ends and if you're quick you can sneak in a buffed adlo to top it off. Feels great lol

Also yeah you're right, more often than not in pugs the Whm will continue to cast Medica 2 even if it isn't needed but that's more of a failure of communication than anything else.

[Layla-chan]

Yup and to great affect too. Try these out;

For Eos:

Whispering Dawn + Rouse Macro
/macroicon "Whispering Dawn" pet
/ac "Rouse" <me>
/pac "Stay" <me>
/pac "Whispering Dawn" <me>
warning!! do not click more than once or you risk breaking WD mid-cast. If you want to be 100% safe put a /wait after stay.

/macroicon "Fey Covenant" pet
/pac "Stay" <me>
/pac "Fey Covenant" <me>

For Selene:

/macroicon "Silent Dusk" pet
/pac "Heel" <me>
/pac "Silent Dusk" <t>
I suggest heel because silent dusk has a smaller range than her embrace, so if she's always following you this macro will allow her to move in-range to cast.

/macroicon "Fey Glow" pet
/pac "Stay" <me>
/pac "Fey Glow" <me>
/pac "Fey Light" <me>
Tap this one whenever light/glow expires an it'll cast whichever one is off CD.

If ya wanna test'em first, manually cast embrace then click these macros and see if you like the feel of it or not.

Actually if you're interested check my post history, I wrote a macro guide for the controller a while back that you might find some useful info in. It's kinda outdated, like back then I had to put a /wait after the "stay" command otherwise the abilities wouldn't work properly (the patch where they changed the Obey behaviour also changed how macro'd pet actions behaved with fairy skills in the same 'line').



Yeah it's unfortunate but I believe that has to do with how the server handles skill procedure. When you queue an unmacro'ed skill it's actually your client that is queuing it then sending it ahead of time. However with macros and fairy abilities (contrary to the earlier statement fairy skills do not have the .5 skill queue) you are essentially sending a grocery list to the server asking it to perform these actions in this order, which is also why pressing a macro again deletes the previous one. With this in mind I'd advise against macro'in embrace to any of your core healing skills. Give embrace its own spot to prevent accidentally breaking WD while giving your physick/adlo that .5 queue ability. This is just my preference tho~

Thanks for the tip! Thanks to this I made some fooling around and found that /pac "Heel" <me> also works just as well as Stay for me Indeed, I like Heel better than Stay in most instances

[MrDiezel]

I must say, this is the first time I've ever heard of a HoT being too strong. lol. Though I dont use FI, WD, and Rouse all at the same time. I use WD and Rouse together (conveniently same cooldown times) and FI when I need some stronger heals. Best example: 4 stack Cad

[Gylwin]

With this in mind I'd advise against macro'in embrace to any of your core healing skills. Give embrace its own spot to prevent accidentally breaking WD while giving your physick/adlo that .5 queue ability. This is just my preference tho~

Really glad I came across this. I added one of the many Phys/Aldo macros, but couldn't work out why healing just felt "off". This would be why. It doesn't seem to be a very well known fact about healing macros (or macros in general).

With my latency on a non-macro Physick I can hit the spell once when the cooldown animation on the icon goes past 3/4, and it'll start the next cast right away.

When I try it with Physick in a macro, this doesn't happen at all, the spell has to finish its cast/gcd before the next and depending on your latency this could potentially cut down your healing throughput by a noticeable amount.

Definitely going the way you did and having non-macro heals and Embrace on its own button.

[Kirinichibon]

Why are you guys pairing Fey Illumination and Rouse?

That's overkill for a regen. Whispering dawn is only 21s and almost all of that will over heal.

When I use Eos, I use her just for this. Overheal for no mana and all threat on the fairy with a pretty short cooldown - no problem!

[Manuka]

Thanks for the tip! Thanks to this I made some fooling around and found that /pac "Heel" <me> also works just as well as Stay for me Indeed, I like Heel better than Stay in most instances

Np! and yeah depending on your playstyle replacing Stay with Heel would be the best route. It's just that I personally use a combo'd Place/ Heel macro constantly that gives me both actions in a single click. Actually if you or anybody wants to try it out it's:

/pac "Place" <me>
/pac "Heel" <me>

I love this macro cause not only does save me a slot it makes moving her outta AoE's really easy and re-placing her after a knockback much more fluid (Heel triggers that half a sec wind-up when moving so it's less apparent when you confirm her new placement). Just be sure to wright it in that order, otherwise you won't get the Place reticle.

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I wouldn't say it isn't widely known, it is the sole reason why there aren't many dps macro setups out there. It's just that most healers don't really care for the .5 sec queue enough to forgo the convenience of combo'in Embrace an Physick, which is why most healer macro guides tend to overlook that aspect. Our class isn't built to to milk the GCD for all its worth like the DPS do. That said there are healing intensive moments due to mechanics or general team f**k-ups where having that .5 queue is glorious and is reason enough for me to want it. Keep in mind though that this doesn't apply to Embrace, so the solo embrace skill you can turn into a mouseover macro and it'll be just as slow as the base Embrace.

Also did you make a reddit thread about this? Cause there's one that sounds a lot like your post on the front page hahah