Thread: 2.21 Notes

Originally Posted by Zaels

Giving players 10% more stats by being there is pretty much a nerf to the whole dungeon.

Yeah that was my point, and it was a bit tongue-in-cheek. I guess it's just easier for them to apply echo than nerf the dungeon. Seeing as they're upping it again in a couple of weeks all they have to do is change a percentage, not rework the dungeon.

Originally Posted by blowfin

Yeah that was my point, and it was a bit tongue-in-cheek. I guess it's just easier for them to apply echo than nerf the dungeon. Seeing as they're upping it again in a couple of weeks all they have to do is change a percentage, not rework the dungeon.

Nerfing the dungeon doesn't help the players get good. Nerfing the dungeons will only increase the elitist whining about how "they couldn't try the original".

The boost to character stats is helpful since people usually play the whole, "get better gear" card. Which is what the boost is basically doing. They still have to do the fight with the mechanics as intended. It's a major boost to those that are already clearing the content yet it's a slight boost for that category of players that just don't want to learn mechanics or are incapable of doing so.

Originally Posted by Gormogon

Nerfing the dungeon doesn't help the players get good. Nerfing the dungeons will only increase the elitist whining about how "they couldn't try the original".

Ok, I don't care about the ramifications of it particularly. I've done enough Titan EX in the last week to know it doesn't help people cope with mechanics ; )

Just saying that from a man hours point of view, Echo buff is very easy for the dev team to apply and adjust compared to tweaking individual bits of the dungeon. Not sure where I'm going with that, I've never really played an MMO with an "echo" before, so I'm just thinking through the concept I guess.

Originally Posted by blowfin

Yeah that was my point, and it was a bit tongue-in-cheek. I guess it's just easier for them to apply echo than nerf the dungeon. Seeing as they're upping it again in a couple of weeks all they have to do is change a percentage, not rework the dungeon.

except that echo doesn't replace skill, i've been in echo build-up DFs for EX primals, and what i noticed was that the more echo they accumulated, the bigger mistakes they made, echo is nothing but a placebo that makes people think that it could carry them, while in reality it doesn't

Originally Posted by Felis

Why are people surprised about the 10%?
it was known since some live letters.

why?to make big scene ofcoz

Originally Posted by Felis

Why are people surprised about the 10%?
it was known since some live letters.

ppl are surprised about flat out 10%, i think
i also thought it will be 5% increments after death like with ex primals

Concerning T5, echo or not, if you take a twister/divebomb you're dead and you may kill some of your friends in that process
But the increase of DPS would make the fight easier for sure because each phase duration will be lower.

I prefer that they keep the mechanics the same personally ... at least news guys will have the same feeling that we had at our first twintania rape : 'OMG we die so much!' 'twister are crap' 'i can't dodge divebomb, i'm lagging'

and the echo can be take out too, better than nerf the dungeon.