Is Hydaelyn a primal?

[KyahAlmasy]

-snippidy-

As much as I would like to take everything that happened in 1.0 as canon, I simply cannot because it has been chopped up into little pieces and reorganized so many times. Like if you started in Uldah, you met the flower girl being only about 9 or 10 in age by appearance and the Miquote (Desert Flower) with Thancred, whom you save from the thrashing Goobbue. And in the aftermath you meet Minfillia on the same day who introduces the Echo to you. Now 2.0 is trying to say that Minfilia IS that flower girl you saved... and somehow between the time you saved her and you met her again on the same day she grew two large breasts and aged 10 years. It's clear that much of what happened (Besides the plot surrounding Dalamund) has been changed without much care for what was told in 1.0. Which leads me to believe that some dialogue that you could or could not have chosen to read would be taken with any more care as the main plot of the game.

We also didn't need to collect crystals for Hydaelyn in 1.0 to make her stronger, she just was behind the scenes granting us the echo when it would suit her agenda.

And also, when others were tempered it was done so while being held against their will and subjected to some horrific and frightening beast who wished nothing more than to enact revenge toward those who would defy him. Each primal is portrayed differently and thus those tempered act in a way that primal would prefer, and Hydaelyn approached us with a far more calmer demeanor and preached reason, and her will for the greater good before "Bathing" us in her light. Sort of reminds me of Bhunivelze in FF13-2 who did the very same thing, and while had good intentions went about things in a less than savory way behind the scenes. We may be bent to follow Hydaelyn's will, but given freedoms to still do things we wish. Which would explain why we went out of our way to do everything some floating crystal told us to do after forcing us to pass out.

[EdwinLi]

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I forgotten where but I believe SE already explained 1.0 Ul'dah storyline...

Ul'dah 1.0 story takes place in the Echo itself. The Warrior of Light has been completely unaware that all the events in Ul'dah 1.0 story is simply the echo reflecting past events in Ul'dah set before the Primals were released from their seal in Silvertear lake 10 years before the 1.0 storyline. You meet Minfillia in Ul'dah grown up because during that time the Echo was not sending you a vision of a past event.

The three city-state story in 1.0 are all set 10 years before 1.0 timeline through the Echo.

1.0 gridania story covers how Gridania began to open their gates to outsiders 10 years before 1.0 story.

1.0 Limsa Lominsa story covers how Limsa Lominsa became involved discovering the secret treasure of the Sea Serpent 10 years before 1.0 timeframe which is believed to contain something important to fight against the primals and what happened to the Key that will allow people to find that treasure.

All three stories ends with the sky covered in flames and the primals being released into Eorzea from Silvertear Lake 10 years before 1.0 timeframe.

However, so far they only concluded 1.0 Ul'dah story with 2.1 storyline. SE has yet to conclude the 1.0 Gridania and 1.0 Limsa Lominsa storyline since the question remains about what happened to the kids in 1.0 Gridania's story who served as major characters and what happened to the Key and what is the legendary treausre in 1.0 Limsa story.

[Yukiko]

... beating EX primals explains a bit...

It has something to do with the flow of life itself, coming and going back to its source...
I have some theories about Hydaelyn beeing Zodiark, but with current information its a bit too far, we will see how Hydaelyn slowly corrupt in future patches...

Hint: watch carefully the names of the patches!

[DracotheDragon]

in my opinion i say hydalyn is a primal a primal of light while Zodiark could be a primal of dark and the twelve might be primals of concept sort of like the good king moggle mob who isn't a primal but can come into physical form due to the faith of his moogles (with erosions being the ones providing the faith for the twelve to manifest)

[RowanLauron]

All I remember is during our first encounter with Ifrit at the beginning of the story he said something about us belonging to another. This was when be was trying to temper us before the fight. So in a way, I'd say yes. We're tempered, but I don't think it's at the level the other primals are (Ifrit, Garuda, Titan, Leviathan, and Ramuh). It's not as fanatical.

[Bigpurpleharness]

I'm going to guess that since Hydaelyn is a giant damn crystal and this is a final fantasy that she is the singular entity to which all life on Eorzea returns and comes forth from. I would liken her closer to a God than a primal, although I'm sure primals and her have some common characteristics. Then again, humans share certain characteristics with trees, that doesn't make them human.

[Jinko]

Isn't Hydaelyn the planet itself?, I guess that every time a Primal is summoned it removed the Aether from the planet, I assume we are on a mission to return the Aether "to the lifestream".

In a couple of the cutscene the Ascian's suggest that Hydaelyn and all life is doomed because the primals are slowly killing her.

[Kazamoto]

That whole we're tempered thing...

I do rememeber Hydaelyn asking me:
"Would you kindly save the day?"
"Would you kindly speed run WP"
"Would you kindly glamor your allagan visor to look like your myth hat"..

And then I kinda just did...

[TeaTimeBear]

How can you honestly deny Hydaelyn having created everything, the planet is named after her.

In actuality once a primal has had enough crystals to be called into the corporeal world they no longer require crystals to sustain their existence, only to heal and replenish them should they get injured. When we meet Hydaelyn she is in a very diminished state, she has very little to no powers and requires us to go out and collect these crystals to rejuvenate her. And Menfila has stated in 1.0 that no one ever asked for the Echo, Hydaelyn in a sense did sort of forced the echo on whomever she felt fit, which is very similar to how Primals go about choosing their hosts. Much like how Ifrit told us to bathe in his flames, Hydaelyn had us bathe in her light. There was never any choice in the matter.I would think she would be weak considering all that came into fruition before our coming. A moon did fall on the planet and it still is on the process of recovering.we gather the crystals in order to banish the approaching darkness, not to feed her is how I took it.

I also don't agree that Hydaelyn is the source of all life on the planet, because that would be drawing a parallel between her and a god/diety of her realm. In which she would omnipotent, and self-sustaining and wouldn't really need us to collect crystals for her. Also every beastman tribe refers to their primal as a god, or father/mother. It doesn't really mean that they are their creators, more like guardians, and protectors much like parents would be. the tribes men do this with both free will and tempered will, but it does not mean a primal is on the same level as a god. If you deny Hydaelyn as the creator then all of the lore of eorzea means nothing

And tempering doesn't exactly mean that the host is stripped of all their freewill, it merely suggests that it converts individuals them to follow their cause. Much like how our test in life was to do everything Hydaelyn asked of us since arriving here in Eorzea. A tempered host does not need to force their will upon anyone, they follow willingly. And I've never heard of anyone using the Echo for entirely selfish reasons. play the amal'jaa tribe quest to see how much free will temper individuals have, and as mentioned in 1.0 the echo was used for ill-gotten gains.

I am having sudden memories of a bloke who denied Haku's gender as male because Haku's looks female..

[TeaTimeBear]

Welp -throws the plot in the incinerator and changes the planets name to "planet"-and this ladies and gents is why when writing a story you need to have your thoughts together or else misinformation becomes fact, and different interpretations are born. FF13 being notorious for this.