Summoner: Advanced Mechanic Testing

[Judge_Xero]

While many Summoner BiS builds promote Crit and Det, it's strange that SE seems to push Crit/Spell Speed in the BiS weapons.

Since Spell Speed doesn't benefit the DoTs (other than a slight increase to application) and because many of the Summoner skills are instant cast, there doesn't seem to be much benefit to Summoner itself outside of a lowered ReCast time.

Looking at the stats from a pet perspective.

- Spell Speed lowers Recast time of GCD spells including the Pet attacks

- Enhanced Pet Actions when proc'd increases both the Master and the Pets Spell Speed

So by stacking Spell Speed does it decrease a pet's recast time on GCD skills - YES
Can you lock in the increased speed by using Spur while the Spell Speed proc is up. - NO
Can you put your pet into hyper mode if Selene uses Fey Glow while your Spell Speed proc is up and then lock it in using Spur (+50% Spell Speed) - DEFINITELY NOT
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UPDATE

So even though the Enhanced Pet Action when proc'd increases the Masters Spell Speed stat you can't lock the new stats onto the pet using Spur or Re-Summoning.

So BiS gear with Spell Speed
Spell Speed - 458
Crit - 564
DET - 240
Acc - 486

4% chance to get Spell Speed Buff on each attack by the Pet (21% Crit x20% Proc Chance)

So ~25 attacks to proc the Speed Buff (~70 Seconds)
Direct Increase in Pet DPS based on your Spell Speed Stat (about 5% for duration of buff @ 8 seconds)

Spell Speed Proc should drop the pet to a 2.7GCD on their main attack. With BiS Spell Speed (+Buff)

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BiS with Crit/DET
Spell Speed - 430
Crit - 503
DET - 299
Acc - 490

3% chance to get Spell Speed Buff on each attack by the Pet (15% Crit x20% Proc Chance)

So ~33 attacks to proc the Speed Buff (~92 Seconds)
Direct Increase in Pet DPS based on your Spell Speed Stat (about 5% for duration of buff @ 8 seconds)

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ARR 2.2
Comparing the two best gear sets with accuracy capped ~490

564 Crit and 240 DET is equal to 485 Crit and 311 DET - so it might be better to have slightly better chance
to proc the Speed Boost to increase pet DPS.

[xxalucard]

Can you lock in the increased speed by using Rouse while the Spell Speed proc is up.
Can you put your pet into hyper mode if Selene uses Fey Glow while your Spell Speed proc is up and then lock it in using Rouse (+50% Spell Speed)

Spell speed stats do affect pets, and Garuda is unique in that he benefits off of his own spell speed proc (chance after a critical hit).

Apparently they do not, as with 405 spell speed (+60 something from gear) my Garuda still has a 3.00s recast on wind blade....

To answer your question though, you cannot lock in the proc buff by using rouse-- that would be broken because if it were chained every minute (rouse) it would turn Garuda or Selene into a machine gun.

[Judge_Xero]

Spell speed stats do affect pets, and Garuda is unique in that he benefits off of his own spell speed proc (chance after a critical hit).

To answer your question though, you cannot lock in the proc buff by using rouse-- that would be broken because if it were chained every minute (rouse) it would turn Garuda or Selene into a machine gun.

Thank you very much for the information.

That's what I would like to test. Since Rouse is suppose to lock the pet stats in at the "owners current value". I doubt the effect would stack each time it is used, because as you say, that would be "broken".

What I do want to see is if: Summoner Skill Speed 500 - Enhanced Pet Proc + 20% - Summoner Skill Speed Stat is now actually changed to 600.

Activate Rouse - Pet Skill Speed is now locked in at 600.

So if the pet skill speed proc'd again afterwards - the Summoner Skill Speed would only go to 600 again, which if you popped Rouse again, it would only lock in at 600.

It would be interesting for Scholar if it did work that way as with new gear you can reach 530 Spell Speed with food. If you use Fey Glow with the Spell Speed proc and Rouse you could lock your pet in at almost 800 Spell Speed.

[givemeraptors]

Food and potions do not affect pet stats (even with Rouse).

Selene + spell speed proc can actually raise your SS to ridiculous levels so for SCH it might be worth stacking SS, however, they benefit much more from Crit + Det stacking so...SS is just really underwhelming for ACN jobs at the moment. BLM and WHM builds take better advantage of it.

[Judge_Xero]

Very small update. If anyone is interested in testing as well.

[Seobit]

Pet stats are taken from your current gear, not your actual stats. As such any changes you make to your stats which aren't gear related (food buffs, potions, procs, etc) have no effect on your pet.

[xxalucard]

See edited post. Spell speed from gear is not affecting Garuda's recast timer on Wind Blade. Bug?

*edit* DEFINITELY A BUG-- the spell speed proc NO LONGER AFFECTS GARUDA and his Wind Blade recast is always 3.00s with a constant cast time of 1.00s

i suggest someone makes a thread addressing this

[Hartack]

I have just examined garuda actual spell speed to confirm whether the myth regarding summoners stats reflection is true or not. The result of my video-based analysis was consistent with what xxalucard said, or in other words, the myth was wrong.

I recently have started using SMN for the Coil turn 7 and saw some summoner's guides. Some guides and forum threads in English and Japanese said that the spell speed of the summoner also decreases the cast and recast of the garuda. I suppose the sources of this myth are:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...mmoner-A-Guide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDIvsOzhzmU

I think the original speculation regarding spellspeed reflection itself was reasonable because the WoW pet system uses this idea. However, the result of my experiment has shown the idea was wrong.

[Hartack]

[Methodology]
I used movie recording software with a time stamp recording option. After the recording, I reviewed the movie frame by frame.

Software:
AmaRecCo (one of the most popular videogame movie recording software in Japan)
Settings:
Framerate 60Hz, AMV3 codec, Timestamp active

* Time stamp accuracy: According to my WoW raiding experience, the timestamp of amarecco completely corresponds to the timestamp of the raw combat log (wow combatlog timestamp resolution is 10-millisecond).

[Hartack]

[Result]
The cast time and recast time of garuda's Wind Blade and Aerial Slash was completely static. The following are examples:

SSPD 518
0 (ms) "Aerial Slash" cast starts (the frame the cast bar firstly appears)
2832 "Aerial Slash" cast ends (the frame the cast bar disappears)
28632 "Aerial Slash"'s cooldown ends (the frame the cooldown seconds shown on the tooltip disappears)
SSPD 351
0 (ms) "Aerial Slash" cast starts
2866 "Aerial Slash" cast ends
28665 "Aerial Slash"'s cooldown ends

SSPD 518
0 (ms) 1st "Wind Blade" cast starts
950 1st "Wind Blade" cast ends
99401 30th "Wind Blade" cast ends
SSPD 351
0 (ms) 1st "Wind Blade" cast starts
967 1st "Wind Blade" cast ends
99367 30th "Wind Blade" cast ends

* no spell speed buff procs during the tests
* the range between the garuda and the target is consistent (A separate test changing the range has also been conducted and shown the range has no effect)