How to fix the sidequests...

[JakeRoon]

Betelgeuzah: Your point is moot.

Quests that don't give exp/sp are pointless, you can simply do Leves to get the money to buy the gear they offer AND get SP/EXP. So can new players. Yet another bad decision by SE.

[Eruantien]

Betelgeuzah: Your point is moot.

Quests that don't give exp/sp are pointless, you can simply do Leves to get the money to buy the gear they offer AND get SP/EXP. So can new players. Yet another bad decision by SE.

Not sure how you can say quests are pointless without exp/sp, I do quests for the story generally, so the point isnt moot at all

[JakeRoon]

Not sure how you can say quests are pointless without exp/sp, I do quests for the story generally, so the point isnt moot at all

His point was moot, His point suggested that the quest were there to obtain gear that new players could not afford.

Your point is you like the story on the quests, that's a separate point. One I can appreciate. However; modern games have to offer more than a cute story for the players most players to find quests "doable". If the payout per time invested is seen to be "not worth it" most modern gamers will simply find more efficient uses of their limited play time.

I'm not just making this crap up. I've played dozens of mmo's over the years and know the trends. Anyone that wants to have a discussion about these types of things is always free to call me on skype or whatnot.....perhaps we can put our heads together and come up with some good ideas.

Oh if only the forums had private mail already......

[Seif]

His point was moot, His point suggested that the quest were there to obtain gear that new players could not afford.

Your point is you like the story on the quests, that's a separate point. One I can appreciate. However; modern games have to offer more than a cute story for the players most players to find quests "doable". If the payout per time invested is seen to be "not worth it" most modern gamers will simply find more efficient uses of their limited play time.

I'm not just making this crap up. I've played dozens of mmo's over the years and know the trends. Anyone that wants to have a discussion about these types of things is always free to call me on skype or whatnot.....perhaps we can put our heads together and come up with some good ideas.

Oh if only the forums had private mail already......

Good luck with that putting your own opinion on a pedestal-thing you've got going on there.

Most people play Final Fantasy games for the story. The only thing with XIV is that there is no interesting story to speak of. No-one of the NPCs stand out because they're not involved in well scripted cutscenes. A game without interesting world or characters gives the player zero reasons to fight for.

[VeranRamaden]

Okay - if you kill ANYTHING you should get sp/xp. even if it is like 100/200 or even lower. I mean, if you get sp/xp from killing things why should a quest deem the killing un-skillable? I mean, I just want quests like FFXI. You have to bring something back or kill this or do that. but if you killed a mob you got sp/xp depending on your level as if you were grinding. That's really all there is to it. Give the quest mob (if it even has to be a quest mob, can use existing mobs or implement new mobs into the environment.) a level and wala - a challenge to kill for some and easy for others.

oh and of course FFXI-esque style quests. (cutscene of you and npc talking, camera moving around, wall of text, mood setting music or sounds to go with set npc movements/actions)

[Betelgeuzah]

Betelgeuzah: Your point is moot.

Quests that don't give exp/sp are pointless, you can simply do Leves to get the money to buy the gear they offer AND get SP/EXP. So can new players. Yet another bad decision by SE.

MMO Economy 101:

Simply getting money from Leves doesn't mean you can buy the equipment. It depends on the supply and demand. If there is a lot of demand for equipment, the price will go up. At that point, people can't afford the equipment anymore simply just with the money gained from the Leves. On top of the leveling process being as fast as it is, people simply won't bother.

I'd say that your point is moot here. New players will find quests that reward equipment worthwhile. Those with 10 million gil and rank 50 classes... not so much. The quests are designed for those people however.

But to simply say a person must choose between character advancement and flavor text?

The person must choose between getting equipment and getting money + exp. And in most cases that's not even true, as you can do 8 leves per 36 hours. You can easily do both.

XI does the same thing XIV is doing, and it turned off the EXP. You were either EXPing, or you were farming money, doing BCNM's and so on. You weren't going to get any EXP if it wasn't a rare exception. It was one or the other.

What? I'm not talking about what you can buy. My point was that a person starting on day one will come across an available quest "let's say a rank 5 quest for a rank 5 item." Now in the time it takes for that person to complete that quest, they could have completed 2 or 3 guildleves made it to rank 6 and with the gil acquired bought said item from the market wards.

Then he runs out of leves. Not to mention due to high demand 2-3 leves isn't enough at all. Have you seen how much gil you gain from a rank 1 leve? Not enough to buy anything. You can easily do both.

Yes, RPGs do have certain quests that do not actually give you anything, except they have an impact on your character

Equipment. Titles are coming.

Granted, like I said flavor text is not enough if they're not going to give XP or money. The quests need to be of better quality. Both in the story department and the content department.

At the same time, FFXIV is a year behind where it should be (assuming that Yoshi-P's plan is completed on the 1 year anniversary of the original CE launch. You could have one quest if you could convince everyone to play it over and over again.

Nobody cares if the 30k or so people playing currently need to play the same quest over and over again. SE should be building the content for the people they want to play, not the people currently playing. To people not playing it's the same whether the game is a year late or not. What matters is what's in the game when they start playing. For most people, that point only comes when SE starts advertising the game again and releases the PS3 version. That's where they should aim for, not the current playerbase.