Casual player

[Capita]

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You guys have very short memory. When the game came out, "hardcore" people were practically BEGGING for a grind. The smart ones were asking for actual difficult content, and argued that grinding/time played doesn't make you hardcore, but the "hardcore" called them casuals and begged for a grind anyway.

So now we get a mindless grind that takes no skill, and people are complaining?

There's no pleasing everyone. This should solidify that idea. The best course of action is to appeal to multiple demographics because even if you do something a group disapproves of, another group will approve of it. Square's doing a pretty good job at that right now.

[Richiealvian]

Not sure that recognizing there can be many times of games excludes me from that ^^; That being said, this game does not really cater to the 'hard core' crowd (battle mechanics are really really really simple). And now it seems to start to annoy a bit of the 'casual' crowd with the ATMA farming.

It's as if they are a bit confused:
We want the hard core players to work hard to get their Atma.
But we want the battle mechanics to be so simple anyone can do it without thinking.

End result: Mind numbing repetition for 'hard core' players, and annoying repetition for 'casual' players.

If, for example, battle mechanics were very difficult to master and challenging, and merely winning a fight was a daunting but rewarding task then the drop rate could be less annoying with the RNG (the challenge would be in actually winning, not winning 100 times). However, due to very simple battle mechanics there is no challenge (or gating factor) in winning the battle. Therefore it must be the repetition of winning the battle that is the gate.

And therein is a sign of the flawed design (and/or direction). And given the significant number of people who seem to be posting unhappily, it may be a valid point.

Out of curiosity, how much time did you spend to beat t6-t8? I wipe a lot, so I don't think it's too easy for me. But if you've spent at least one week of game time (about 8 hours a day) then haven't you got what your money's worth? Most games does not last you that long for 4 bosses, do they? If you're only up to the most high end raiding content, can't you unsub and then come back when the new end game raid is out? I've asked my friend circle, and they all go "wow, this is finely tuned" instead of "man, this is so boring".

[Menfist]

In all honesty I see no need to keep up with the majority of players. I roll at my own pace and it keeps me happy. I stopped playing last year and came back as of last week to play more casual now that I have a new born daughter to care for. The only problem with this is I struggle to even find a party for coil turn 1.

You should join or create a casual FC for yourself and others alike, that is what I have done as of today.

[Malamasala]

Well, they could make this casual by adding a game shop where you could buy endgame gear. But most people misinterpret selling endgame gear as P2W, when in reality it is just selling a shortcut for people with more money than time.

[CYoung187]

Well, they could make this casual by adding a game shop where you could buy endgame gear. But most people misinterpret selling endgame gear as P2W, when in reality it is just selling a shortcut for people with more money than time.

Stop. How is that not P2W?

[Raenryong]

Stop. How is that not P2W?

I think what she means is not buying top tier stuff, but like i70-i90 stuff. Good entry level equipment which you could easily earn otherwise.

[Doo]

I think some players are just playing the wrong genre.


Fate grinding is bad though but grinding in general is what mmos are for the most part.

[KenzieLynch]

Sounds like you don't really like MMO's. Aren't they all pretty much jobs now?

[Gormogon]

After some MMO's I'm done being a "hardcore" end game player. I don't mind giving it attempts and being part of a static but I'm done having to put up with the stressful elitist environment.

As a somewhat casual players there's a lot of objectives to look forward in the game. There's lots of classes and jobs worth leveling. Gear up whatever you enjoy. There's a lot of content worth exploring and completing at max level. Getting in a FC and helping to the best of your abilities can be a thing for you too, which not many casuals do but can. It's an option. As well as other minor goals you can set for yourself.

Yet it is all dependent on what you as an individual considers "fun". i have my goals and I can't wait to achieve them. Once I do achieve them I know I can then spend that free time on whatever I please. Goals are goals and they take time.

[Menfist]

After some MMO's I'm done being a "hardcore" end game player. I don't mind giving it attempts and being part of a static but I'm done having to put up with the stressful elitist environment.

As a somewhat casual players there's a lot of objectives to look forward in the game. There's lots of classes and jobs worth leveling. Gear up whatever you enjoy. There's a lot of content worth exploring and completing at max level. Getting in a FC and helping to the best of your abilities can be a thing for you too, which not many casuals do but can. It's an option. As well as other minor goals you can set for yourself.

Yet it is all dependent on what you as an individual considers "fun". i have my goals and I can't wait to achieve them. Once I do achieve them I know I can then spend that free time on whatever I please. Goals are goals and they take time.

Very well said.