Atmas - Taking the fun out of gaming.

[EdwinLi]

I think that would be great. What do you think you'd see on these forums if SE did that, though?

Depending on how the boss is designed it would be either

1) too hard for players because they do not meet the gear check or are not skilled enough to handle their class yet. (It was the primary reason why Keeper was hard in Secret world being that a player must meet all skill requirements for someone entering Endgame content. If you did not master your role as a Tank, Healer, or DPS you will not get pass the Keeper and enter endgame)

2) easy because it is solo fight for hardcore players being more use to hard fights.

3) Isn't a group content so they can't be carried.

[Zaels]

SE, DO THE ATMA GRIND VIA TIMEWORN MAPS INSTEAD OF FATE's (drop rate adjusted accordingly)

Then people will complain that they need to do a boring grind (leveling a gathering class to 40+) to obtain the maps, or they are forced to buy from gatherers. And they will surely price gouge the hell out of those maps.

Do you really think that's a better solution?

[Nutz]

I think they have/ had a few options that would have pleased people a lot more without making the grind (on average) any shorter or longer. They could have made it a specific number of FATEs to get an atma (I've personally exceeded 130 FATES in the East Shroud and still don't have that atma), had an even lower drop rate that increases a tiny bit for every FATE you complete (such that, eventually, the drop would be guaranteed and then the drop rate would reset), or left the low drop rate but capped the number of FATEs required (2% or whatever drop rate, but becomes 100% @ 100 FATEs for example, and then resets).

Clearly people dislike spending hours on something and knowing that they have not progressed at all toward their intended goal. Designing finite content with the same estimated completion time is generally better for everyone. People can decide upfront whether or not they have the time for something and progress is obvious and constantly moving forward. Hopefully SE at the very least takes this design philosophy into consideration moving forward, though you can't really blame them with the number of people begging for extremely rare drops and what not, though I imagine they wanted rare drops that meant something, rather than rare drops that were 1/12th of a texture swap and obtained from mindless, mostly low level content.

[Ran1880]

I think the real painful grind begins after getting all the Atmas.Grinding 13 500 myths to complete all the books is just a pain in the ass.

[Goatgoatgoat]

If you have time to whine, you have time to grind.

What a ridiculous thing to say...

It took me 2 minutes to "whine" - which I'd rather deem constructive criticism - that's how we bring about change... Complacency changes nothing.

10 hours of atma grinding, and I have one atma. If I spent ten hours "whining", I'd probably have more fun, lol.

[ulti_19]

If you have work, school and important things to do - and can only spend your time for an hour for this game - then Atma FATE grinding is definitely not easy. It's funny of how people who don't have to worry about job, school or real life has amount of guts to say such things really.

That's funny, I'm married with full time job, and I can grind at least 2 hours in the evening or something. If you have so little time to play that grinding is too much that people like you ask it be removed you really haven't played old school games. BTW if you only have 1 hour don't grind fate's do something else in the game, you aren't forced to grind for them.

[HumsterMKX]

I better stop taking down names... need a new book soon.

[Aldotsk]

That's funny, I'm married with full time job, and I can grind at least 2 hours in the evening or something. If you have so little time to play that grinding is too much that people like you ask it be removed you really haven't played old school games. BTW if you only have 1 hour don't grind fate's do something else in the game, you aren't forced to grind for them.

You obviously are not in medical school. Well then again, you ARE married and you know you are grown enough to have some free time in your life. But college students like myself actually has to focus on school more than game because we want to actually not live out in the streets.

[Xakery]

Way to miss the point. This is not about leveling a different class or doing dungeons. At all.

This is about grinding sub-50 FATE's as a Level 50, with a Relic Zenith weapon, for an item that has a 0.000000000001% drop rate. And you need 12 different versions of said item. After that, you get some Book for a huge amount of Mythology tomestones, and you have to camp specific FATE's.

I tried Atma farming yesterday. Gave up within 2 hours. I am probably never getting my Atma.

you people know nothing of monotonous grinding! Back in my day, to even get a relic we had to grind dozens of hamlets trying to earn the best rating, farming various items to get top provisioner, spend countless days, hours, and weeks with very little to show for it.
2.0 is nothing concerning grinding... tell me about how you spent hours leveling in a group at a camp to either spiritbond for materia or get to 50.

[Doo]

you people know nothing of monotonous grinding! Back in my day, to even get a relic we had to grind dozens of hamlets trying to earn the best rating, farming various items to get top provisioner, spend countless days, hours, and weeks with very little to show for it.

Were hamlets fun? Seems like some players want them to return while the majority agrees Fates are boring as hell.