DIP, DUCK, DIVE, DODGE!

[Chezen]

Let me make another scenario. You are a bystander. A tire just fell off a fast moving truck and it is now flying towards you at 80 mph, you only have less than second to make a decision, what do you do?
A) Stand there and take it because you think it will only cost you 1000 hit points (Strategic turnbased RPG style)
B) Block it with your hands because you think it will only cost you 500 hit points (Strategic turnbased RPG style)
C) Move out of the way by either sidestepping or jumping to the side (Action RPG style)
D) Do the matrix move

If you answered D, I will stab you in the jaw.

But I like D. T_T

Since this is reality, of course C, because otherwise, I might be seriously hurt or even killed, and there are no potions to bring me back to health in seconds.

But if it were possible (or I was a wrestler or something), A. Anyone can jump, pshhhhh. But it would look a lot more cool if I could stand there and let a tire hit me, and then walk away like nothing happened.

[Dreadnought]

I find the battle system kinda outdated and would look even more obviously outdated once people get a taste of Tera and maybe Phantasy Star Online 2. Auto attack was so 10 years ago with ffxi, and it's great, and we might get jump, but that's a much older basic move. The current battle system along with ffxi's battle sytem, people stood around in one place until the mob was dead. The most mobile person would be the puller, or the thief that have to setup sneak/trick attack. FFXI had its bits that were exciting such as kiting the angels in divine might, or running away from Kirin. It truly felt like you were in a real battle with real monsters, this was a time before zerging was invented btw.

Point is, you really shouldn't stand still against mobs that can crush you like an ant. Take for example the Great Buffalo NM, tanks just stand in front of it, healers take a few steps back because they know they can get one shotted, damage dealers just attack it without disregard for skills. Wouldn't it be great if the Great Buffalo chased everyone across the entire map, even in the camps, and a tank can get one shotted easily if they don't dodge at the exact time it does a weaponskill or a spell?

We need a sense of danger in this game, stop zerging all battles, stop being so stationary, and showcase some real skills that require split second timing. Yoshida said it himself in a famitsu interview translated by Reinhart, something like the best feeling is when you finish a battle and you do not get hit. I am proposing the addition of a dodge button to dodge left or right, and yes, you can work this around even with the controller, there are some functions that I could careless to be mapped on the controller, like emotes, map, camera mode, screenshot. What if, you were a damage dealer, and the Great Buffalo does the body slam and if you do not dodge on time, you are dead, just splat dead. Or, if you're really good, even as a tank, you can dodge almost everything and never get hit. That will make battles more difficult, more chaotic, and much more memorable and epic. Attacks that require certain conditions such as blindside can still be done, but this time with a lot more skill, communication, timing, and strategy. For example, during Kirin battle, a tank will have to stop from kiting for 2-3 seconds so damage dealers can setup weapon skillchains and magic bursts, otherwise it may never die if the party never perfects the strategy.

Seriously, watch a video of Tera with the player running in circles around the mob, trying to dodge, or the tanks actually line up spartan style to create a wall to protect the mages that stand behind them, and you will see how pale and boring the current battle system is, even with the addition of auto attack. Watch the upcoming trailer of phantasy star online 2 with being able to fight in midair. I'd say DC Universe online, but meh. If you think the game is in trouble now, it will be even more in trouble when the true next generation MMORPG's come out, even when it is considered "fixed".

im pretty sure the instant death for tanks just for not dodging once and "NMs" chasing your group literally all over the map are extremes that pretty much anyone would dissagree with.
however
a dynamic battle system is pretty much the norm these days and will only become more-so by each game release. would i want a Final Fantasy that looked the part but played like (similar, not identical) to Tera? HELLLLL YESSSS! will i ever have that? i dont think so to be honest, for some reason SE seems to like the slower pased action and christian family disney friendly storylines.
i was not surprised when SE teamed up with disney, i just wish they had teamed up with Tim Burton instead /cry

[Dyne]

im pretty sure the instant death for tanks just for not dodging once and "NMs" chasing your group literally all over the map are extremes that pretty much anyone would dissagree with.
however
a dynamic battle system is pretty much the norm these days and will only become more-so by each game release. would i want a Final Fantasy that looked the part but played like (similar, not identical) to Tera? HELLLLL YESSSS! will i ever have that? i dont think so to be honest, for some reason SE seems to like the slower pased action and christian family disney friendly storylines.
i was not surprised when SE teamed up with disney, i just wish they had teamed up with Tim Burton instead /cry

That's why you have backup tanks. Well, maybe not instant kill a tank at this level, but maybe during endgame time. Rank 50 is far from endgame.

[Verecund]

I sincerely doubt that they intended for people to be killing mobs almost 50 levels higher than their rank XD

...though it is also strange that such mobs would be there in the first place without a rhyme or reason... hmmm.....

[Serio]

My main is PUG and i can tell ya, i dodge all the time. I dodge like a boxer even. I see the OPs point, and yeah that would be pretty cool, but this game is was probably intended to stay true to the Final Fantasy RPG style. Basically, if i wanted to dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge, i'd play a fighting game, not an RPG. Remember, this game is an RPG at its base.

[Dyne]

My main is PUG and i can tell ya, i dodge all the time. I dodge like a boxer even. I see the OPs point, and yeah that would be pretty cool, but this game is was probably intended to stay true to the Final Fantasy RPG style. Basically, if i wanted to dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge, i'd play a fighting game, not an RPG. Remember, this game is an RPG at its base.

Wait till PVP is available.

[indira]

news for you you dont know how its gonna play a video can show anything, remember how everyone was dieing for ffxiv from the videos all we know it can be another zerg mobs to hell.
we have to play it first to say anything.

[Dyne]

news for you you dont know how its gonna play a video can show anything, remember how everyone was dieing for ffxiv from the videos all we know it can be another zerg mobs to hell.
we have to play it first to say anything.

I want this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSEbR...eature=related
It's the exact same controls we have now, except only 10 buttons on the action bar on the top right instead of the bottom. I know exactly how it plays because I played it. It didn't have the best graphics, but the gameplay was awesome.

[Irana]

Agreed that the combat system is crap

[Chezen]

In FF, those are called Limit Breaks....

I like both turn-based and active-time battle styles of play, but I think of FF as turn-based style. I think it works better that way, because you are a single person controling a team.

The solutions that SE came up for with XII and XIII, in using ATB, weren't bad, but I like having full control of the different characters better. Of course, you can keep control in XII if you want to, but in the big battles you really just don't have time.

For an mmo... yes, you could speed things up, but I still like the method used now. There's no telling what it will be like when they change the battle system, but I don't think they will be changing it that much.