1500 for books... to expensive for people with multiple jobs ?

[Calyanare]

I'm looking forward to being able to switch from the infinite grind that is Atma farming to the finite farming that is the books... if I ever get more than 1 flippin' Atma to drop, that is.

I'm pretty sure that was the point. Yoshi stated a while back that he felt relics we're too easy to obtain, that they were supposed to be something that really stood out. Well, now you gotta put some work(RNG) into it.

Not asking for easy. Just asking to know when it's going to end. Preferably with a way that makes everyone's grind approximately the same length, rather than people being completely finished in 1/3 of the time it took me to get a single drop. It should be an equal amount of work for everyone (like the books are).

But yeah, they've already committed to making the armoury system useless. With 6 months between high-end updates you can maybe pick 2 main classes to gear (if you're lucky).

the 13500 number is the number for the 9 books for ONE relic upgrade so thats mainly what he has an issue with, it has to all go to the one if you upgrade. But if you only looking for i90 for your alts, farm 1-5 for coil gear, get the new crafted i90 stuff, plenty of ways to get i90 now. if you want to keep your alts up with reasonable ilv compared to mains, i90 does not keep up soon, so why even be mad about the difficulty to get myth for alts

What is the point of this when the only content that even remotely requires gear above i90 has a weekly lockout, and most likely your static wants you on the same class every week for that? They don't want us gearing alts. If they were making the game completely fresh, they wouldn't have given us the Armoury to begin with. It's only here because 1.0 had it.

[Lurkios]

I'm pretty sure that was the point. Yoshi stated a while back that he felt relics we're too easy to obtain, that they were supposed to be something that really stood out. Well, now you gotta put some work(RNG) into it.

[Nekodar]

http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/1540123/

First full Animus I see...
(I don't count the Holy Shield Animus, since that one just require 2 books)

[Ixim]

I agree with the way soldiery tomes work, they ensure that you choose one PROGRESSION class. That is good for the game, otherwise people would be switching classes on the fly and not have enough experience in their role. What I really dislike is the combined nerf to Myth drops with needing 13500 tomes to make one Zenith weapon that isn't even iLvl 110. That essentially ensures that if you want to get your Animus weapon you can't spend any Myth on your other classes probably for the entire 2.2. If it was at least Coil level gear then I would understand, but this is a huge step back on the biggest advantage FFXIV has in my opinion, which is the Job system.

Currently if you want to get your Animus weapon the most efficient way to get it is to just spam the first 2 bosses in HM Brayflox with speed runs. This will net you roughly 50 Tomes/10 Minutes (Accounting for downtime), or 300 Myth/Hour. At this rate it'll take you 45 HOURS of straight grinding myth tomes to get JUST the tomes for your Animus. And lets be honest, nobody want's to run 270 speed runs of the same dungeon. Even if this is a long term investment that's way too high for, frankly, an underwhelming weapon. It essentially eliminates your ability to get both an Animus weapon and another job geared to the point where it's playable in a group. You're better off getting the EX Leviathan weapon for a lot less investment as it currently stands.

Dungeon / Tomes / Runs Needed
Coil T1-5 / 20 Myth / 675 Runs
HardModes / 50 Myth / 270 Runs

[KogaDrake]

all im saying is it would be nice to have different ways to gear up classes and upgrade relic , so they wouldnt get in each other way , currently both are just a matter of spending myth, of course its nothing that cant be done with enough time

They have wave/tidal wave weps that are farmable and and equivalent ilv to upgraded relic (currently), there is the soldiery + unid tomestone for an ilv100 upgradable to 110 wep and coil 2 ilv115 wep available. there are plenty of ways to upgrade weps for your alts until the point that relics are made easier. Lets face it there will always be another option thats not the relic that your alt classes can have so you never have to upgrade all relics.

For armour, we all know 2.3 will likely bring more 100 gear from CT, a potential soldery cap increase and allow for catchup of all your jobs armour before next "raiding" patch which is 6months out, nearing the 1yr mark of ARR that could even be a expansion with level increases and starting all jobs from scratch again (in terms of gear progression)

[Ixim]

They have wave/tidal wave weps that are farmable and and equivalent ilv to upgraded relic (currently), there is the soldiery + unid tomestone for an ilv100 upgradable to 110 wep and coil 2 ilv115 wep available. there are plenty of ways to upgrade weps for your alts until the point that relics are made easier.)

I don't think he's talking about getting multiple Zenith weapons. I'm pretty sure he's referring to the fact that it takes 13500 Myth Tomes that would be going to secondary classes for their Myth gear (2.2 full Myth/+1 Relic characters).

[Shirai]

There are plenty of alternatives if he truly wants to have all jobs geared and ready to play at a moment's notice.
If it's just to collect all the things, given time, he will get it eventually.

It all boils down to choice.

[KogaDrake]

I don't think he's talking about getting multiple Zenith weapons. I'm pretty sure he's referring to the fact that it takes 13500 Myth Tomes that would be going to secondary classes for their Myth gear (2.2 full Myth/+1 Relic characters).

the 13500 number is the number for the 9 books for ONE relic upgrade so thats mainly what he has an issue with, it has to all go to the one if you upgrade. But if you only looking for i90 for your alts, farm 1-5 for coil gear, get the new crafted i90 stuff, plenty of ways to get i90 now. if you want to keep your alts up with reasonable ilv compared to mains, i90 does not keep up soon, so why even be mad about the difficulty to get myth for alts

[Lord_Zlatan]

I think that the design choice is that you focus your atma/animus until you get an allagan weapon, then do your second one (you have your Animus relic on standby for the next patch). While doing/waiting to start your second one, farm Leviathan EX for alt classes.

For me, thats what looks to be the gear progression... Animus/Allagan on main, Leviathan/Animus on alt.

[Stanelis]

http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/1540123/

First full Animus I see...
(I don't count the Holy Shield Animus, since that one just require 2 books)

Wait you can upgrade the shield to animus without having to upgrade the sword at the same time ?