The Big Problem With Zodiac Farm

[ZeroRains]

From personal experience, I have completed my atma weapon, and on book 3 of 9. I really have no issue with the time sink, but I think the biggest issue is whether or not the months of farming are worth the investment. Here is why I say that.

Currently, collecting Atma can take as long as a week, or done in a few days depending on the speed and RNG factors. For books, farming 1 book and completing its pages a week will still be well over 2 months. The big question is, will the final form (not animus) be worth the time sink?

In 11, your months of time sink for Relic, Mythic, Or Empy weapons was a great damaging weapon, with a special weapon skill and other unique modifiers. In 14, I'm afraid a Zodiac weapon (Granted more of the quest will be added in 2.25, so even more to do for the weapon) will be of lesser strength or equal to a High Allagan Weapon.

It's easy to say the zodiac is for more casual player base to work up to, since some have no access to coil, nor have the knowledge to even attempt turn 9 whenever that day may be. But therein lies the problem. Compared to the speed of your first relic, it will more than likely be in the same situation your previous relic was, weaker or on par to a High Allagan. No unique stats, no top of the line weapon that exceeds Allagan. Its just a more drawn out version of the relic quest.

GRANTED I cannot say for sure what the final iteration of a Zodiac may be, seeing as it's not even released yet. But I feel the time sink invested into zodiac weapons may just be for a slight boost in stats equaling a High Allagan. It Destroys the purpose of what a Relic was meant to be. There is no disputing t9 victors should be given a great reward for thier efforts, but the investment between the two seems disappointing. I think if the reward in the end seemed more appealing, more players would be excited to finish it, instead of farming levi for i100, and just using that for the new coil.

[EdwinLi]

As of now Relic is designed to be the Starter Endgame Weapon to get players into Endgames and to get those endgame gears and weapons.

As of now I'm waiting to see how their progress balance out later but for now it seems they're keeping Relics depended on RNG during the start to make certain not a lot of people will hit Coil turn 9 too early until 2.3 when Relic ilvl 110 is released with CT 2nd raid for alternate ilvl 100 gears.

By 2.3 we should see a increase in RNG drop rate for Atma or it is completely removed because of ilvl 110 Relic Quest.

Currently by average a causal person will take around 1 month just to complete all 9 books done anyways to obtain Animus after they obtain Atma.

[ZeroRains]

As of now Relic is designed to be the Starter Endgame Weapon to get players into Endgames and to get those endgame gears and weapons.

As of now I'm waiting to see how their progress balance out later but for now it seems they're keeping Relics depended on RNG during the start to make certain not a lot of people will hit Coil turn 9 too early until 2.3 when Relic ilvl 110 is released with CT 2nd raid for alternate ilvl 100 gears.

By 2.3 we should see a increase in RNG drop rate for Atma or it is completely removed because of ilvl 110 Relic Quest.

Currently by average a causal person will take around 1 month just to complete all 9 books done anyways to obtain Animus after they obtain Atma.

No way will any casual get near that done in one month. 45 hours total are needed for all 9 books if you straight farm myth with no stops in between, + the several hours to complete them. I understand the casual workup, but 45 hours to invest in a dungeon for one month is beyond casual.

[EdwinLi]

No way will any casual get near that done in one month. 45 hours total are needed for all 9 books if you straight farm myth with no stops in between, + the several hours to complete them. I understand the casual workup, but 45 hours to invest in a dungeon for one month is beyond casual.

It the average I manage to calculate together that round to 1 month or a bit over 1 month.

In total of work you need about 3 to 4 days to gather 1500 myth per book and 1 or 2 days to complete all 4 task in FATE (3 specific FATES must be completed both name and location is provided), Monster kills, Battle leves, and Dungeon boss ( only 3 Dungeon boss required and location is given) for 1 book.

in max a player can work up 5 days to finish 1 book and 3 days if they spend 1 day focus on completing 1 book. That is a average between 36 days to 54 days average depending on how much effort is put into the task for all 9 books.

1 month is the average minimum timeframe but at most it will certainly take about 2 months at the maximum timeframe if little effort is put into the Book daily.

[Rhas]

No way will any casual get near that done in one month. 45 hours total are needed for all 9 books if you straight farm myth with no stops in between, + the several hours to complete them. I understand the casual workup, but 45 hours to invest in a dungeon for one month is beyond casual.

What makes you think they will be doing just dungeons? There are other ways to earn it. I haven't even tried to earn myth in dungeons and have over 400 (last 6 days) and 70 soldiery tomes just by daily beastman and group treasure hunts. Happy enough earning 60-90 myth an hour on treasure hunts.

I haven't really been in and endgame dungeon in a month or two. (except CT before 2.2 patch) and a couple times in coil. Been feeling to crappy to play much for a bit and typically been in game 1-3 hours a day lately. If I actually felt good enough to do some dungeons I could knock that out pretty quick, but as it is I'm good with earning around 400 - 600 tomes a week until I can get back and play more

Sure it might be a couple months before I get any books but I got no problems with that.

You know, many people in the game are not in it to be hardcore (like you seem to be from your comments) They play for fun because its fun. How about stopping to smell the roses (as it were) and just enjoy yourself without worrying about how fast other people will or won't get things

Who cares about what's weaker or more powerful. Who cares about rewards vs efforts. If you are having fun, you are having fun

[Thorauku]

Who cares about what's weaker or more powerful. Who cares about rewards vs efforts. If you are having fun, you are having fun

Good for you then.

But definitely that won't work with other people.

Personally, I finished my Atma with the mindset that it'll be atleast on par with or even higher than High Allagan Weapons, but to my surprise, even Gerolt's weapons are greater than Animus (with the current set of items available ingame).

After seeing this trend, I li-low'd on farming and think whether it'll be worth my time to continue collecting the books for the upgrade.

Imagine you need 13,500 myth or 270 Brayflox HM run (If you're doing Speed Runs, 8-10 minutes each) for all 9 books. That's alot of farming for sure, while the reward is only on par with the Weathered version of Gerolt's / Levi EX weapons.

[Rhas]

Good for you then.

But definitely that won't work with other people.

Personally,

Lets just stop that post there at personally. It just doesn't work for you.

Nothing wrong with that but don't try to assume what other players actually think about it. You know what assuming does.

It also definitely does work with other people because I play with a decent size group of "those people". So, sorry to burst your bubble about that misconception that there are many people out there that actually just play for fun and to help other people and don't really care too much about reaching end game as fast as humanly possible hehe

Sure being more powerful has its benefits but life just doesn't revolve just around that.

[Shneibel]

What makes you think they will be doing just dungeons? There are other ways to earn it. I haven't even tried to earn myth in dungeons and have over 400 (last 6 days) and 70 soldiery tomes just by daily beastman and group treasure hunts. Happy enough earning 60-90 myth an hour on treasure hunts.

What the man say is effective farm, 8 min is what you need to farm in brayfox for 50 myth tome and that is so far the effective way to do. And I am sure you are aware about the OP point that the animus wep take to much time to finish but it is weak crap, the wep are only ilvl100 and that is not even 2nd strongest wep at the 2.2.

And leave your casual & hardcore opinion a side pls, it is not what we talk about in this thread

[ZeroRains]

You know, many people in the game are not in it to be hardcore (like you seem to be from your comments) They play for fun because its fun. How about stopping to smell the roses (as it were) and just enjoy yourself without worrying about how fast other people will or won't get things

Like I stated in my op, it was never about how fast you get them, its about what exactly your getting with well over 60 hours of investment into a weapon, which ironically can be weaker than your levi weapon. It's a broken system, and needs to have a extra oomph to really be worth investing the time into.

[Rhas]

Like I stated in my op, it was never about how fast you get them, its about what exactly your getting with well over 60 hours of investment into a weapon, which ironically can be weaker than your levi weapon. It's a broken system, and needs to have a extra oomph to really be worth investing the time into.

And like I said, if it's fun doing and getting for you it doesn't really matter about time invested. You are playing and doing it for fun, not because of any other reason.. It isn't an investment, its just plain fun.