The Big Problem With Zodiac Farm

[NyneAlexander]

The challenge to casuals isn't completing the books. The challenge is being able to access the books by completing the stupid fate gate. People keep saying "well I got mine in a few hours" or "mine only took a day". Guess what? Random is random. I've been at it since saturday night and I'm only halfway done. I know plenty of people that are in worse shape. And I play everyday, at least 4hrs a day if not (way) longer.

Random is random, and often times random sucks. There is no guarantee that someone grinding fates will ever finish, let alone finish in a day like so many people have alluded.

[Timethiuas]

It's reasonable for a casual player to farm a book and clear the book challenges every 2 days. No reason you couldn't have a weapons done within the first month. I am on my 3rd book now as well, and I only play for a few hours after work, and some weekend grinding. Fortunately the new beastman dailies take very little time to deal with. Hope to be up to like book 6 by next week when coil gets echo #1. The chest armor & improved weapons should make things a lot more manageable.

That would be great, except the time it takes to get to the book phase. I am 0/12 on Atmas right now. I am excited to get to the book phase. I think a better implementation would have been to forgo the Atma and jump right to the books.

[Deathscythe343]

I'm in a hurry because I don't want to be the dude farming fates by myself when the bulk of the population is done with fates. Trying to finish a fate by yourself is reeeeeeeeaally boring.

This is where I think the vast majority of the playerbase is right now.

[NaliaBrown]

That would be great, except the time it takes to get to the book phase. I am 0/12 on Atmas right now. I am excited to get to the book phase. I think a better implementation would have been to forgo the Atma and jump right to the books.

Yeah, I like this. The books sound like they would actually be fun - a variety of activities that you need to complete to upgrade the stats on your weapon. But as it is now, you have to grind fates for hours/days/weeks to "upgrade" to a weapon that's essentially just a paint job. What's the point of that?

[Deathscythe343]

I think a better implementation would have been to forgo the Atma and jump right to the books.

A better idea would have been to let players purchase the books as soon as they have the atma weapon quest, but not allow them to start them until they get all of their atma. It would give players the ability to get a large chunk of the grind out of the way. Another idea would have been to also include the mobs killed during the fates as potential drop chance for the atma.

[Deathscythe343]

Yeah, I like this. The books sound like they would actually be fun - a variety of activities that you need to complete to upgrade the stats on your weapon. But as it is now, you have to grind fates for hours/days/weeks to "upgrade" to a weapon that's essentially just a paint job. What's the point of that?

From what I have been told, the books do a much better job of letting you know where you stand on finishing the upgrade. From what I have gathered from this thread and others like it, is that most players hate that there is no kind of visual progression. Meaning there is no way for them to tell that moving towards the goal. They are just doing the fates hoping that they can finally get their atma.

[ZeroRains]

Agreed, the book does a very nice job, one of the better parts of the entire quest.

[TwoEggs]

Im a casual olayer who also does endgame stuff and when im not maxing soldiery or running coils im fate grinding and havent seen 1 atma drop... i play 3 to 4 days a week looks like it will be well over a month or so for me to get the atmas ... the drop rate is terrible just up it to 25-40% and absolute after 20 fates per zone.. or something like that more reasonable

[Rhas]

Like I stated in my op, it was never about how fast you get them, its about what exactly your getting with well over 60 hours of investment into a weapon, which ironically can be weaker than your levi weapon. It's a broken system, and needs to have a extra oomph to really be worth investing the time into.

And like I said, if it's fun doing and getting for you it doesn't really matter about time invested. You are playing and doing it for fun, not because of any other reason.. It isn't an investment, its just plain fun.

[klepp0906]

By 2.3 we should see a increase in RNG drop rate for Atma or it is completely removed because of ilvl 110 Relic Quest.

Currently by average a causal person will take around 1 month just to complete all 9 books done anyways to obtain Animus after they obtain Atma.

This is what I'm afraid of. If they nerf the relic quest to make it easier in 2.3 they are just compounding the problem. Making it more and more appealing to just wait. Why waste 3 weeks getting your animus now if you can do it in 3 days later and just use Levi for now?

I'd like to thank blizzard once again for ruining the genre!

Also like to thank SE for ignorant forum design. Can't even quote without using up your measly 1000 characters. Pantheon, can u please launch sooner.