The Big Problem With Zodiac Farm

[klepp0906]

By 2.3 we should see a increase in RNG drop rate for Atma or it is completely removed because of ilvl 110 Relic Quest.

Currently by average a causal person will take around 1 month just to complete all 9 books done anyways to obtain Animus after they obtain Atma.

This is what I'm afraid of. If they nerf the relic quest to make it easier in 2.3 they are just compounding the problem. Making it more and more appealing to just wait. Why waste 3 weeks getting your animus now if you can do it in 3 days later and just use Levi for now?

I'd like to thank blizzard once again for ruining the genre!

Also like to thank SE for ignorant forum design. Can't even quote without using up your measly 1000 characters. Pantheon, can u please launch sooner.

[kiraan]

And thats 45 hours if you're speed running Brayflox. Not sure even a lot of people are doing speedruns.

[skaterger]

Still impossible. Casuals will not run 10 brayflox in 1 day, even assuming they can find a group to do it. If using the df, forget about it. By my estimate it will take at least 2 months to get it. Add in the Atma grind and it's closer to 3.

Levi ex weapons are ideal starter weapons for raids. Relics are more like a long term investment.

[EdwinLi]

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That why I said it will take 3 to 4 days to gather the 1500 myths for 1 book given that they use the Roulette bonuses, beast Tribes, and treasure maps.

The task per book is a average of 1 to 2 days since only section with a lot of work to do is the monster kills while the others are quite easy to complete within 1 day being the FATE(3 specific FATES to complete), Dungeon (kill 3 Dungeon bosses), and Battle Leve of the Book's 4 tasks for each one of the book.

So it may take around 6 days per book for maximum time.

[skaterger]

Casuals to me don't spend all their time with progression. They also do other stuff like gardening, glamour and crafting. Not to mention some can't log on every day. Seems like we have quite different views on casuals. We will have to agree to disagree then.

[EdwinLi]

Casuals to me don't spend all their time with progression. They also do other stuff like gardening, glamour and crafting. Not to mention some can't log on every day. Seems like we have quite different views on casuals. We will have to agree to disagree then.

The data I put together is excluding other activites that does not involve progressing in getting Atma into Animus. I am only caculating the time they will spend when they are putting work into getting Atma into Animus.

I've already taken those factors into consideration and did decide to remove those factors because those do not involve progressing in getting Atma into Animus since those are other activities not involved in the amount of time to obtain Animus.

If you remove the amount of time a player would spend performing activites not involved in getting Atma into Animus it will be within the time of 6 days.

If I did add in the factor of other activities not involved in getting Atma into Animus the total amount of time for a players to get Atma into Animus will be between 4 to 6 months.

After 6 months the time frame will be decreased greatly since Myth would be replaced by Soldiery tomes and the Tier 4 tomes would be released in 2.4. With Soldiery replacing myth the books will be reduced to be 1/4 its original price be that in 2.4 it will cost 375 soldiery tomes which cuts the time by 1/4 of the current time or less since it will be easier to obtain 375 soldiery in one day in 2.4

[Moirear]

Edwin: That estimate too, though, is based on the idea that the average casual player is enthused about this system. You can probably triple or quadruple that guesstimate for your average casual, if they can even be bothered to put up with such a system at all.

The more I think about it, it's easier to get a Leviathan weapon than this; after all you can buy EX Primal carries. You can't sell the grind. What's in it for an Animus weapon right now is far beyond what a casual is willing to put up with in any reasonable amount of time, IMHO.

FWIW, I think it's meant to be an alternative high level weapon; High Allagan probably won't be a viable option until very late into the current patch cycle; it's a matter of stat weighting and preference in your build and it's something for the future, because the current competition in weaponry eclipses it now, but probably has no further upgrading potential when new content comes out.

[EdwinLi]

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Well there are other things I would have considered but right now I'm not certain about those ideals until 2.3 hits when both the ilvl 110 Relic is released and CT 2nd raid is released.

Once 2.3 hits we will start seeing some kind of alteration to current Relic Quests that could atler SE expected rate of players getting their relics at a 6 month timeframe.

As of now it seems SE plans to make Relic something players should only work towards only for their 1 Main Class/Job they plan to use for the majority of their contents.

[DoubleT]

its only been 1 week, an many people have already finished atma, an several have started the next phase. The OP said himself he is alread 3/9 on books, on another thread i just read a min ago, somebody said they were on book 6 or 7, there is a few people in my fc that are on their 3rd or 4th book. I think it is a bit early for ya'll to claim its going to take 2-3 months. And dont worry, in 3-6 months it will be nerfed so that everyone else can catch up in 1 day.

[Merle]

were on book 6 or 7, there is a few people in my fc that are on their 3rd or 4th book.

Wait, wait... i though you could buy 4 books only before 2.25 patch o.o