The Big Problem With Zodiac Farm

[ZeroRains]

From personal experience, I have completed my atma weapon, and on book 3 of 9. I really have no issue with the time sink, but I think the biggest issue is whether or not the months of farming are worth the investment. Here is why I say that.

Currently, collecting Atma can take as long as a week, or done in a few days depending on the speed and RNG factors. For books, farming 1 book and completing its pages a week will still be well over 2 months. The big question is, will the final form (not animus) be worth the time sink?

In 11, your months of time sink for Relic, Mythic, Or Empy weapons was a great damaging weapon, with a special weapon skill and other unique modifiers. In 14, I'm afraid a Zodiac weapon (Granted more of the quest will be added in 2.25, so even more to do for the weapon) will be of lesser strength or equal to a High Allagan Weapon.

It's easy to say the zodiac is for more casual player base to work up to, since some have no access to coil, nor have the knowledge to even attempt turn 9 whenever that day may be. But therein lies the problem. Compared to the speed of your first relic, it will more than likely be in the same situation your previous relic was, weaker or on par to a High Allagan. No unique stats, no top of the line weapon that exceeds Allagan. Its just a more drawn out version of the relic quest.

GRANTED I cannot say for sure what the final iteration of a Zodiac may be, seeing as it's not even released yet. But I feel the time sink invested into zodiac weapons may just be for a slight boost in stats equaling a High Allagan. It Destroys the purpose of what a Relic was meant to be. There is no disputing t9 victors should be given a great reward for thier efforts, but the investment between the two seems disappointing. I think if the reward in the end seemed more appealing, more players would be excited to finish it, instead of farming levi for i100, and just using that for the new coil.

[EdwinLi]

As of now Relic is designed to be the Starter Endgame Weapon to get players into Endgames and to get those endgame gears and weapons.

As of now I'm waiting to see how their progress balance out later but for now it seems they're keeping Relics depended on RNG during the start to make certain not a lot of people will hit Coil turn 9 too early until 2.3 when Relic ilvl 110 is released with CT 2nd raid for alternate ilvl 100 gears.

By 2.3 we should see a increase in RNG drop rate for Atma or it is completely removed because of ilvl 110 Relic Quest.

Currently by average a causal person will take around 1 month just to complete all 9 books done anyways to obtain Animus after they obtain Atma.

[ZeroRains]

As of now Relic is designed to be the Starter Endgame Weapon to get players into Endgames and to get those endgame gears and weapons.

As of now I'm waiting to see how their progress balance out later but for now it seems they're keeping Relics depended on RNG during the start to make certain not a lot of people will hit Coil turn 9 too early until 2.3 when Relic ilvl 110 is released with CT 2nd raid for alternate ilvl 100 gears.

By 2.3 we should see a increase in RNG drop rate for Atma or it is completely removed because of ilvl 110 Relic Quest.

Currently by average a causal person will take around 1 month just to complete all 9 books done anyways to obtain Animus after they obtain Atma.

No way will any casual get near that done in one month. 45 hours total are needed for all 9 books if you straight farm myth with no stops in between, + the several hours to complete them. I understand the casual workup, but 45 hours to invest in a dungeon for one month is beyond casual.

[kiraan]

And thats 45 hours if you're speed running Brayflox. Not sure even a lot of people are doing speedruns.

[EdwinLi]

No way will any casual get near that done in one month. 45 hours total are needed for all 9 books if you straight farm myth with no stops in between, + the several hours to complete them. I understand the casual workup, but 45 hours to invest in a dungeon for one month is beyond casual.

It the average I manage to calculate together that round to 1 month or a bit over 1 month.

In total of work you need about 3 to 4 days to gather 1500 myth per book and 1 or 2 days to complete all 4 task in FATE (3 specific FATES must be completed both name and location is provided), Monster kills, Battle leves, and Dungeon boss ( only 3 Dungeon boss required and location is given) for 1 book.

in max a player can work up 5 days to finish 1 book and 3 days if they spend 1 day focus on completing 1 book. That is a average between 36 days to 54 days average depending on how much effort is put into the task for all 9 books.

1 month is the average minimum timeframe but at most it will certainly take about 2 months at the maximum timeframe if little effort is put into the Book daily.

[Rhas]

No way will any casual get near that done in one month. 45 hours total are needed for all 9 books if you straight farm myth with no stops in between, + the several hours to complete them. I understand the casual workup, but 45 hours to invest in a dungeon for one month is beyond casual.

What makes you think they will be doing just dungeons? There are other ways to earn it. I haven't even tried to earn myth in dungeons and have over 400 (last 6 days) and 70 soldiery tomes just by daily beastman and group treasure hunts. Happy enough earning 60-90 myth an hour on treasure hunts.

I haven't really been in and endgame dungeon in a month or two. (except CT before 2.2 patch) and a couple times in coil. Been feeling to crappy to play much for a bit and typically been in game 1-3 hours a day lately. If I actually felt good enough to do some dungeons I could knock that out pretty quick, but as it is I'm good with earning around 400 - 600 tomes a week until I can get back and play more

Sure it might be a couple months before I get any books but I got no problems with that.

You know, many people in the game are not in it to be hardcore (like you seem to be from your comments) They play for fun because its fun. How about stopping to smell the roses (as it were) and just enjoy yourself without worrying about how fast other people will or won't get things

Who cares about what's weaker or more powerful. Who cares about rewards vs efforts. If you are having fun, you are having fun

[skaterger]

Still impossible. Casuals will not run 10 brayflox in 1 day, even assuming they can find a group to do it. If using the df, forget about it. By my estimate it will take at least 2 months to get it. Add in the Atma grind and it's closer to 3.

Levi ex weapons are ideal starter weapons for raids. Relics are more like a long term investment.

[EdwinLi]

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That why I said it will take 3 to 4 days to gather the 1500 myths for 1 book given that they use the Roulette bonuses, beast Tribes, and treasure maps.

The task per book is a average of 1 to 2 days since only section with a lot of work to do is the monster kills while the others are quite easy to complete within 1 day being the FATE(3 specific FATES to complete), Dungeon (kill 3 Dungeon bosses), and Battle Leve of the Book's 4 tasks for each one of the book.

So it may take around 6 days per book for maximum time.

[skaterger]

Casuals to me don't spend all their time with progression. They also do other stuff like gardening, glamour and crafting. Not to mention some can't log on every day. Seems like we have quite different views on casuals. We will have to agree to disagree then.

[EdwinLi]

Casuals to me don't spend all their time with progression. They also do other stuff like gardening, glamour and crafting. Not to mention some can't log on every day. Seems like we have quite different views on casuals. We will have to agree to disagree then.

The data I put together is excluding other activites that does not involve progressing in getting Atma into Animus. I am only caculating the time they will spend when they are putting work into getting Atma into Animus.

I've already taken those factors into consideration and did decide to remove those factors because those do not involve progressing in getting Atma into Animus since those are other activities not involved in the amount of time to obtain Animus.

If you remove the amount of time a player would spend performing activites not involved in getting Atma into Animus it will be within the time of 6 days.

If I did add in the factor of other activities not involved in getting Atma into Animus the total amount of time for a players to get Atma into Animus will be between 4 to 6 months.

After 6 months the time frame will be decreased greatly since Myth would be replaced by Soldiery tomes and the Tier 4 tomes would be released in 2.4. With Soldiery replacing myth the books will be reduced to be 1/4 its original price be that in 2.4 it will cost 375 soldiery tomes which cuts the time by 1/4 of the current time or less since it will be easier to obtain 375 soldiery in one day in 2.4