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  1. #101
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    CapaxInfiniti's Avatar
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    Sasha Kosavisch
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    It's absolutely mind blowing to see this thought process so perverse even in-game. I simply cannot imagine how you all must feel about real life issues.
    No one owes anyone in this game anything. Thinking they do will net you the same response that has already been given since the topic first emerged in World of Warcraft.
    You simply cannot FORCE other players to do things for the sole benefit of YOURSELF. And it should be shaming that you won't even admit to the fact of that being EXACTLY what you are asking SE to do. "SE. Please force this player to do this. Because I have something to gain from it. I don't care one iota about if they desire to do it or not. They are less than chattel to me. They exist only for my gain."
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  2. #102
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    Lyrinn's Avatar
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    M'kael Jin
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    Not going to bother reading this entire thread, but

    Quote Originally Posted by CapaxInfiniti View Post
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    while I can't argue with you (because you're right), you can't ignore the other side either. If you know roulette is going to give you a chance at entering a dungeon you don't like, why roulette in the first place? Go queue specific. Just as the rest of the party has no right to make you do the dungeon, what makes your right to do what you want greater than that of the, potentially, three people whose times you wasted, particularly in the case of tanks doing this to DPS?

    My policy is that if I roulette, I stick with whatever I get until the party proves incompetent and not because the dungeon sucks.
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  3. #103
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    Drako's Avatar
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    Drako Lombardi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluevann View Post
    Not trolling. I am genuinely serious.
    That wasn't for you. Most of your points align with my own belief in the purpose of DR system.
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  4. #104
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    DMooseJ's Avatar
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    Norran Lomasa
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    Quote Originally Posted by CapaxInfiniti View Post
    It's absolutely mind blowing to see this thought process so perverse even in-game. I simply cannot imagine how you all must feel about real life issues.
    No one owes anyone in this game anything. Thinking they do will net you the same response that has already been given since the topic first emerged in World of Warcraft.
    You simply cannot FORCE other players to do things for the sole benefit of YOURSELF. And it should be shaming that you won't even admit to the fact of that being EXACTLY what you are asking SE to do. "SE. Please force this player to do this. Because I have something to gain from it. I don't care one iota about if they desire to do it or not. They are less than chattel to me. They exist only for my gain."
    SE has policies and guidelines in place to prevent and stop people from ruining the fun of other people in the game. Tanks that drop immediately upon zoning in are doing exactly that and if SE wants to design a game that discourages behavior that ruins the fun for others, further penalties for that is a good step toward that. In the end, tanks that want to drop aren't forced to do anything. If they don't like the penalties, they could just not tank. Or stop playing the game. Nobody's holding a gun to their head forcing them to be there.
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  5. #105
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    Bluevann's Avatar
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    Jet'a Vahn
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    Quote Originally Posted by CapaxInfiniti View Post
    You simply cannot FORCE other players to do things for the sole benefit of YOURSELF. And it should be shaming that you won't even admit to the fact of that being EXACTLY what you are asking SE to do. "SE. Please force this player to do this. Because I have something to gain from it. I don't care one iota about if they desire to do it or not. They are less than chattel to me. They exist only for my gain."
    Well, first off I'll admit that having never played WoW I really can't be in your shoes; I come from FFXI, and at least in the server I am on, people never left a party on the spot without a word (mostly because our Duty Finder feature, known as Autogroup, was ignored by pretty much everyone. We used Party Flags, shouts, and tells). But I'd like to point out how these couple lines you just mentioned are about the same line of thought of the people who leave a dungeon. They FORCE 3/7 other players to leave the instance, or waits for a while, perhaps fruitlessly, only for their OWN GAIN, because, yes, to them they are less than chattel. It's just strangers after all.

    While my suggestion? It doesn't force anything at all. It incentives a proper behavior, yes, but does not force anyone to stay. I didn't ask to remove the Leave button, after all. So as you can see, even with my suggestion, the only ones being forced to do anything are those the 'Leavers' will leave behind in the instance, forced to wait, or restart all over again, and not themselves.
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  6. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by CapaxInfiniti View Post
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    Please just leave the game and never return. It is attitudes like this that cause posts like this. It is people like you that poison the player base and make this worse for everyone.

    For the last time. If you do not like what roulette dishes out DON'T DO IT. Stop being a self righteous prick.
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  7. #107
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    Yurihyuga's Avatar
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    Valous Voakes
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    The reason this is happening is because SE still has not fixed the bug where if you click join party in progress and do a roulette you can just up and leave at any point in the dungeon and don't get a penalty. This is bound to be abused and is common knowledge now.
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  8. #108
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    Heavy01Mk2's Avatar
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    Natasha Bezukladnikov
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    Exodus
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Akujin View Post
    Wait, what dungeon are people bailing out of?

    They nerfed Pharos to the point anyone should be able to complete it.

    Braflox, Hali and Township are easy to run, a few little mechanics, but nothing truly difficult.

    So..uh..what?
    garuda ex. everytime. allthetime.
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  9. #109
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    Corfish's Avatar
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    Aiden Weaver
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    Cactuar
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Had a tank bail the other day. He made a rather large pull for a new healer (one who forgot to repair on top of that), and raged quit when he died, but not before the healer asked us to kick her since she messed up. It was just me and an ACN after that, who was new to the game. Great way to start off what was her first Haukke Manor run. I asked her if she wanted advice in the meantime while we waited. Really nice girl, and after I answered a few questions we actually got a tank, and she healed for most of the dungeon. We got a WHM before the final boss, so that was good.

    I just wish people would be PATIENT. TALK to the new people. Yes, a lot of them can't do it well lately since they're new to MMOs on the PS4 and don't realize keyboards are functional with it, but c'mon. These are real people behind the keyboards (or lack thereof I suppose :P). They're not joining the game purely to make your runs slightly slower. So many people whine and moan about the lack of skill of the player base at large, and no wonder why when tanks and healers and hell, sometimes even DPS leave whenever they see a new person, or a dungeon that takes longer than 5 minutes.

    TL;DR: If you queue up for DR and leave before giving it a real honest chance, I hate you. You are the truly unskilled players making the game worse.
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    Last edited by Corfish; 05-29-2014 at 11:20 AM.

  10. #110
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    AldoVonAlexandros's Avatar
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    Aldo Von'alexandros
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    Leviathan
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    penalties are the solution, if u leave on a determined time u will wait 1 hour or something like that, i dont know, its not really a problem, i only see this on pharao, on titan hm i can carry the hole party with my sch, so, no one leaves when im healing xD
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