Quote Originally Posted by Moonwolfthegrey View Post
I lost Chirada as an i86 war OT in extreme mode to a blm who was decently geared but not spectacular. He used flare just as i was pulling to position her for tornado phase. I had opened with tomohawk. Berserk steel cyclone before he popped flare. This did not happen before for me
Of note this was after getting a few echo buffs.
I'm guessing its a one of thing as I havnt noticed any hate issues otherwise
Stupid BLM - also, I would recommend trying to queue up a Butcher's Block for an immediate huge enmity hit, then tomahawking until she's back with you.

Quote Originally Posted by Inosaska View Post
People are jumping the gun and not allowing tanks to build hate. First let the tank build hate then start attacking.
^^ DPS that used to be undergeared could pre-cast a Thunder III or start a BRD rotation just as the Tank was arriving at a mob. Now they your average "uneducated PUG" (I tried to make that the least derisive I could, but I failed) will be i90 almost certainly, with more power behind their attacks than they know how to manage. Meanwhile, none of the "pro tanks" have had time to grind out full Animus, or more than maybe 1 or 2 pieces of i100/i110 armor. Making the disparity go from i84-i90 to i90-i92, putting the untrained DPS much closer to the tank.

What I can't explain very well is what I have been noticing in things like T5 and Titan X. I am seeing some inconsistency that I never have before in terms of enmity management. An i91 WAR was pulling hate from an i88 PLD out of Defiance, while claiming NOT to be using enmity generation cool downs. Did that PLD suck? Maybe, but Shield Oath + RoH combo should be untouchable by any one within 6 or 7 iLVLs not in a tanking stance.

In T5 I play off-tank, and my i89 PLD was either woefully behind the dps in Sword Oath (Stoneskinning MT before each Death Sentence), or I was pulling hate in Shield Oath before the first Nuerolink was being laid down. Granted as the person generally responsible for raid strategy I wasn't exactly monitoring my hate with a microscope as I called out mechanics and gave tips and tweaks to FC mates, I never had that issue one time in T5 before 2.2 - Sword Oath RoH spam + CoS/SW on CD while SSing the MT before DS's was always put me at about 75% of the hate bar, which was about 20-30% ahead of our DRG, the next highest.

Couple of anomalies? Probably/perhaps. I am noticing I have to pay much more acute attention to my hate as an off-tank than I used to to make sure I'm not turning cleaving mobs on my group mates.