Tank's hate generation "reduced"?

[Cap75]

In my limited experience as a lv 45 warrior it's only been bards that get close to pulling off me. Don't know if it's just because they can pretty much always be attacking but that's the only class I notice getting close to a full enmity bar. So long as they follow my marks though I've yet to lose anything.

[KogaDrake]

I have not had any experiences with echo yet, and from most peoples accounts it seems to be with echo when there are issues.

I forgot to put up defiance in Levi Ex this am, and held hate (ilv92 BLM, BLM and SMN for dps) with near 100% uptime of storms path, and did not notice it until the first spume phase when my health dropped a bit too low for my comfort. Given this, i'd say its not an issue in general, but maybe just with how things scale with echo? Also, as a geared tank, you realy do not the extra HP from echo, so switch off some of your VIT accessories for STR ones and maybe the threat issues with echo will go away.

[Gelesto]

I've also noticed a fight for enmity especially with those Black Mages i think enmity may have been reduced for tanks but it just means you have to put more effort in than just flash spams and riot blade combo's

[LOLyYOUcryin]

its the damn dps. they think just because circle of scorn goes off or flash its ok to start dropping bombs with buffs and food on... no i need a CoS and a flash before youre dumb ass starts aoe rotation with buffs up. but you cant tell a DPS anything all they care about is trying to be on top. then they want to blame the tank. and SE wonders why theres a lack of tanks. they need a slight SLIGHT damage increase and at least 1 more AoE for pld flash dont do shit when its raining arrows or flares are flying.

[Judge_Xero]

Experienced this tonight in Halitai HM. I didn't notice any lag but it was pretty rough keeping hate off an ok geared dragoon and bard. I'm using melded I70 accessories too as PLD with around 420 STR. Flash was barely making a dent on healer aggro. Each person was taking a different mob which is fine as I would drop whole RoH combos. When rotating through mobs I could barely keep hate.
It felt like I wasn't using Shield Oath. I've started fights without it before and it seemed very similar. Especially with how useless Flash seemed. I cycled it on and off a few times but it didn't seem to help.