Is this your first Final Fantasy? Or do you just not remember grinding in past games?

[Pandastirfry]

I never actually played XI, but I assume people weren't farming for 1 mob for weeks by just typing Tab key and using 1 skill.

Yeah... They did, or at least I did. Red Mage or Bard
.... Tab, Tab, Tab, Tab, "Holy Crap! Dia Macro"... Wait for the RMT bot to kill it... Tab Tab Tab...etc etc.

The only NM I remember teally well from XI... Huu Mujoh(or something like that) The Tempest, Yagudo caster. I spit his name in disgust, and he is my go to example of the thing that were fundamentally flawed about XI, I still remember his spawn locations and his abilities, all because he dropped the Monster Signa, a weapon that was great for Mithra Bards, which I was. I spent YEARS camping him... Never saw it drop once.

And as to the atmas... Is everyone forgetting the currency grind for XI's weapon upgrades that took most people YEARS to farm up enough for them?

[Amberion]

Yeah... They did, or at least I did. Red Mage or Bard
.... Tab, Tab, Tab, Tab, "Holy Crap! Dia Macro"... Wait for the RMT bot to kill it... Tab Tab Tab...etc etc.

Well, your problem was that you where using a macro when there was someone competing with you. Macro seemed to lag a bit. Best way was to just target yourself, go to spell/ability menu, pick your skill then that blue arrow would show up. And then just tab around with that and hit "enter" when mob popped.

And well, RMT pretty much sucked at claiming most NMs.

EDIT:

Wonder what some people nowadays would think if they had to farm gil just to be able to party. Or for new gear.

[Pandastirfry]

Well, your problem was that you where using a macro when there was someone competing with you. Macro seemed to lag a bit. Best way was to just target yourself, go to spell/ability menu, pick your skill then that blue arrow would show up. And then just tab around with that and hit "enter" when mob popped.

And well, RMT pretty much sucked at claiming most NMs.

EDIT:

Wonder what some people nowadays would think if they had to farm gil just to be able to party. Or for new gear.

Yeah after the first two years, I learned that truck... The next 4 years was because the RNG Gods hated me and eventually that coupled with FFXI's other numerous and glaring faults caused me to quit.

[PandaPause]

The only NM I remember teally well from XI... Huu Mujoh(or something like that) The Tempest, Yagudo caster. I spit his name in disgust, and he is my go to example of the thing that were fundamentally flawed about XI, I still remember his spawn locations and his abilities, all because he dropped the Monster Signa, a weapon that was great for Mithra Bards, which I was. I spent YEARS camping him... Never saw it drop once.

And as to the atmas... Is everyone forgetting the currency grind for XI's weapon upgrades that took most people YEARS to farm up enough for them?

So much this ^
I also camped a lot of those NMs in ffxi and built a relic. Everything in that game was a grind and a long one. The atma farming is the closest thing to a grind in ffxiv and even at 40 hrs its still laughable.

[Lord_Zlatan]

So much this ^
I also camped a lot of those NMs in ffxi and built a relic. Everything in that game was a grind and a long one. The atma farming is the closest thing to a grind in ffxiv and even at 40 hrs its still laughable.

the list can go on and on in FFXI... from the simplest pair of boots, the level 24 head piece, the nin/sam gloves that I never got, byne bills, etc, etc, etc... There is one thing that people are grinding for here with no competition, no ridiculous waiting times. It really is just a "deal with it" type of situation. Also, the only thing that really sucks about it is that you need to do low level stuff... really is kind of... silly, tbh.

[PandaPause]

the list can go on and on in FFXI... from the simplest pair of boots, the level 24 head piece, the nin/sam gloves that I never got, byne bills, etc, etc, etc... There is one thing that people are grinding for here with no competition, no ridiculous waiting times. It really is just a "deal with it" type of situation. Also, the only thing that really sucks about it is that you need to do low level stuff... really is kind of... silly, tbh.

To another Goblin player!

[Amberion]

the list can go on and on in FFXI... from the simplest pair of boots, the level 24 head piece, the nin/sam gloves that I never got, byne bills, etc, etc, etc... There is one thing that people are grinding for here with no competition, no ridiculous waiting times. It really is just a "deal with it" type of situation. Also, the only thing that really sucks about it is that you need to do low level stuff... really is kind of... silly, tbh.

Speaking of FFXI NMs. Most people never realized that it was better to just farm the gil for it. Farming silk, tree cuttings or beastmen blood would remove most of the RNG for people that didn't have luck.

[MurakumoMillennium]

Gaming doesn't dominate some of our lives.

It doesn't need to. Sure, somebody can play for 24 hours and finish their atma farming quickly, but if they can do it in ONE DAY then a very casual player with a few hours on their hands can do it within a couple of weeks.

I never actually played XI, but I assume people weren't farming for 1 mob for weeks by just typing Tab key and using 1 skill.

lol no, of course not! You were farming 1 mob for weeks by waiting for hours for it to even spawn to begin with. With competition at that!

Why back in my day we competed for mobs that dropped endgame gear (with an awesome 10% drop rate!) that only spawned once per day, and that was with dozens of other people there doing the exact same thing.

[Calyanare]

It doesn't need to. Sure, somebody can play for 24 hours and finish their atma farming quickly, but if they can do it in ONE DAY then a very casual player with a few hours on their hands can do it within a couple of weeks.

Actually, my problem with the Atma thing is that what you just said there is completely false. If it took an equal amount of grinding/effort for anyone to get it, I would be fine with it, even if it took WEEKS (which I think it should). However, some people being done in 8 hours while I grind for 26 hours and only have 1/12, something is horribly wrong.

Why? Because everything is on a fast track and even if there is actually enough content you are able to blow through all of it far too quickly. MMO's had a grind aspect for a reason. Because the game itself is intended to have no end, its not like playing a single player RPG where you purchase the game and then play it through. And one of the ways they keep the game going is by designing content that takes time to complete, RNG is part of that. It does have its place.

Not asking for there not to be a grind. I'm asking for the amount of grinding to be equalized a little bit, so that it's a long grind for everybody and not just those who are unlucky. This is what all of you "OMG I finished mine in 8 hours so it's not a problem" people don't understand. I'm one of the unlucky ones. I've been grinding FATEs a total of 26 hours now and have one, that's right, ONE Atma. I don't want them to take away the grinding, I just want it to be equal (and ideally somewhere in between the extremes that exist now).

I'll consider myself fortunate seeing how you only have one after 26 hours.

And I consider myself fortunate alongside someone in another thread who said they only have one after 32 hours. All these people saying it's fine really have no idea.

[File2ish]

I never actually played XI, but I assume people weren't farming for 1 mob for weeks by just typing Tab key and using 1 skill.

Some people farmed one NM for weeks trying to get one item (like a rare drop weapon). And for some NMs you had to kill specific normal monsters in an area to get said NM to pop... Which was RNG itself (with widescan you could see the mobs in an area, say of all the damselflies in an area of 4 squares on the map, you had to kill 3rd one on the list [and only the 3rd] in a specific group of flies to get the NM to pop in it's place). Then if someone else that isn't in your party/alliance claims it before you, you can't get anything from it, can't even attack it. So you'd lose your chance for your 10% drop rate item you want until you can get it to repop.

At least with FATEs everyone has a chance and it isn't a 1-12+ hour respawn rate for FATEs that aren't Odin and Behemoth.

And auto attacks were a main source of damage in FFXI. Auto-attacks built up TP which you could then use to do a single weaponskill like Vorpal Blade or Dancing Edge once TP was at 100%-300%. A WS would burn all the TP you have and you start from 0 again and rebuild TP to do another WS, which took a while depending on your job, accuracy, and skill level with whatever weapon type you're using (if you had 100 sword skill at level 75 Paladin, you couldn't hit anything your level).