[QUOTE=BazFamrit;1997886]If you have to wipe 5 times to learn content then all you're doing is allowing the echo buff to scale down the difficulty to your level. A good tank should always know what's coming and how to handle it. Going in blind is just lazy and a huge waste of time for everyone else in the group."

I haven't used echo yet. Only thing I've really wiped regular on is coil and em. Any good video gamer goes in and fights the boss. If you unwrap a new video game, put it in and go to YouTube to watch the first boss video you're a tool. Usually after 2 runs the crew quits and I don't wanna run anymore cause they all talk shit. When the new dungeons came out we wiped once on almost every boss. No videos. No one said shit cause it was the first day but it really wasn't hard. If I had that happen today, a whole 5 days after patch, they'd have talked shit the whole way. What ever happened to not pulling out the Manuel till after you get your ass kicked a little?