Tanking baby

[BazFamrit]

If you have to wipe 5 times to learn content then all you're doing is allowing the echo buff to scale down the difficulty to your level. A good tank should always know what's coming and how to handle it. Going in blind is just lazy and a huge waste of time for everyone else in the group. Not wanting to learn through YouTube is fine but learn with people you know so everyone is prepared to spend some extra time in there. Think about it. If you were playing DPS and just waited 45 minutes to get into an instance, would you be OK spending over an hour in there while your tank learns a 20 min dungeon?

[Killabye]

[QUOTE=BazFamrit;1997886]If you have to wipe 5 times to learn content then all you're doing is allowing the echo buff to scale down the difficulty to your level. A good tank should always know what's coming and how to handle it. Going in blind is just lazy and a huge waste of time for everyone else in the group."

I haven't used echo yet. Only thing I've really wiped regular on is coil and em. Any good video gamer goes in and fights the boss. If you unwrap a new video game, put it in and go to YouTube to watch the first boss video you're a tool. Usually after 2 runs the crew quits and I don't wanna run anymore cause they all talk shit. When the new dungeons came out we wiped once on almost every boss. No videos. No one said shit cause it was the first day but it really wasn't hard. If I had that happen today, a whole 5 days after patch, they'd have talked shit the whole way. What ever happened to not pulling out the Manuel till after you get your ass kicked a little?

[Killabye]

Do not judge other tank on FATE experience. You know, half of those "average" tanks was most likely solo or in random party w/o healer.""

I was too lol. The great thing about tank is you can see when they try to provoke off you. The funny thing about playing war and pal is pulling aggro off a Palidin with a war on a single boss. If you've done ct you know saying tanks aren't trying to have pissing test over aggro is a lie

[Killabye]

Wow you guys all bombed on me except 2 my last 3 brayfloxs hms were 25, 21, 22 min. 22 with my FC. When we did the final boss on city of Ampador I held the party together. I was the one that saw the doors colors and pairs even though I was tanking. They voted to abandon like 3 times about 2 hours after patch. That's being a bad gamer, not trying to learn the fight on your own. And yea, I am a dick to most parties because if you don't check them they whine. Know what I do when I pull aggro with my drg and my 7 hit macro? I backflip to lose aggro or switch targets or stop attacking. What do other dps do? Whine whine whine. Maybe it is me being too mean, I'm just giving what I've gotten though.

[marksierens]

thats part of being a tank, take a project manager for example his job is like a tanks too, he gets blamed from both sides.

[marksierens]

when u become a great tank, people will want you and i must say that feels great since there little good tanks out there. from the negative comments even tho theyre negative u must look for whats good in them to better yourself u must want to learn. if ur not willing to take advice or take blame itll become very hard to learn to tank well

[marksierens]

before all these new dungeons and all we had to farm was wanderers palace, as a warrior tank before the buff people always told me u cant do this u cant do that because youre a warrior, well one of those things was speed running wanderes palace. u know the last hall where u pull everything, i did it with my warrior eventhou everyone said u cant. keep testing ur limit. also enrage mode ppl keep saying u cant do it with 2 tanks, yes u can im proof of that it is not necessary but its a good example

[Delorean]

If you have to wipe 5 times to learn content then all you're doing is allowing the echo buff to scale down the difficulty to your level. A good tank should always know what's coming and how to handle it. Going in blind is just lazy and a huge waste of time for everyone else in the group.

Do you look up how to complete every difficult boss fight in a game without even trying your own hand at it first? Just because Final Fantasy XIV is an MMO doesn't make the element of surprise a less exciting part of gameplay.

What would you do if there was no published strategy yet - just wait for one to come out? Because that was the case for the new content a few days ago.

[Zourin]

If you have to wipe 5 times to learn content then all you're doing is allowing the echo buff to scale down the difficulty to your level. A good tank should always know what's coming and how to handle it.

Nobody comes out of mom's womb already potty trained. Reality is, it takes several runs for the muscle memory for any dungeon to set in. As an experienced tank, I also know that if I'm going to be running with YOU for the first time, that I'm going to pace myself on the first few pulls until I've had a chance to adjust to how you play. It's not about echo, it's about those first few derpy runs 'till you physically get used to the anticipations, positioning, dodges, and when to use cooldowns or when you can get by without.

Of course, there are always slews of bad tanks that spent their first 50 levels FATE running where they weren't responsible for pulling their own weight and don't know how to leverage their class properly. They poison the pot when they start queuing for top end dungeons with some bizarre sense of entitlement ('group won't work without me, so you're stuck with me, and I can leave anytime') without ever evaluating their own performance.

Both 'first time in a dungeon' groups will derp their way through the dungeon on the first couple passes. I've derped my way through the ADS fight on turn 1, not because "I didn't know the fight", but because the timing is VERY specific and you need to get a hands-on feel for the rotation cycle. Simply reacting will be too late. It's the bad tanks that don't get better or worse those who have 'already been through the dungeon' and never realize that there's more to tanking than facerolling RoH.