2.2 Turn 2 "Need" farming parties.

[WinstonChurchill]

Am I missing something? With enrage and 3x healer groups...

Seems to be no reason to split rolls with 2 other healers. Find a greed group that's willing be fairer and make the need guys wait forever until they figure it out.

[BamDeafPie]

Then make your own party and stop whine over others parties?

[WinstonChurchill]

Thanks for reminding me why I shouldn't post in forums. Every year or so I forget what it's like.

[Pikken]

Am I missing something? With enrage and 3x healer groups...

Seems to be no reason to split rolls with 2 other healers. Find a greed group that's willing be fairer and make the need guys wait forever until they figure it out.

I have read you post like 10 times now but still can't get exactly what you are saying, I may be a bit slow

You want a group where people don't click Need on rolls? But the only players who can click Need are those with the right job and who do not already have the item. What's the unfair part?

[Alistaire]

Considering it's spammable now people should be learning to do non-enrage for spamming it nearly literally 2x as fast. Hopefully that catches on.

Also healers have it pretty easy overall considering DPS can easily end up with 2 and sometimes 3 people to lot against.

[Rbstr]

I don't get how a greed group will help you here. Everyone could want healer greed. Unless you mean you want to find a greed group and then talk them into not greeding on healer stuff?


Not that it even matters. Turn2 enrage is readily done with just two healers anyway.

[Blazers]

Also healers have it pretty easy overall considering DPS can easily end up with 2 and sometimes 3 people to lot against

This couldn't be more untrue.

Obtaining gear from hardest to easiest

Healer/Tank
Blm/Smn
Mnk/Drg/Brd

Mnk/Drg/Brd - 20% chance you will have the same class in the next DPS slot, having more than 2 of the same class is very low odds
Blm/SMN - 40% chance you will have the same class (for gear) in the next DPS slot, having more than 2 is a little higher than mnk/drg/brd but still pretty low
Healer/Tank - 100% chance you will have someone else to lot against but luckily 0% chance for more than 2.

Furthermore, tanks/heals share gear in coil whereas mnk, brd, drg don't. If the strength gear was shared you might have an argument for mnk/drg.

Not to mention when using PF you can somewhat control party composition as a dps, if you see there are two other monks don't join etc. With healer/tank you really don't have a choice, you'll always be lotting against someone else.

This is supported in game too, I have coiled for months on whm exclusively and I have more allagan for monk and dragoon on greed lot. Very little tank, caster and healer goes to free lot. And it's not just me, many friends in game who main healer/tank have more dps allagan as well. Just the way it is, many times you don't have either a drg or monk in the group and that stuff goes free lot.

So saying healer has it pretty easy is incorrect. DPS "sometimes" has 2 of the same, healer always does. And having 3 of the same is very rare for coil, especially since you want 1 range in t1, 2 magic/2 phys in t4 etc. The actual chances of having 3 monks or 3 dragoons is slim to nil. Blm/Smn have it a little harder, they are usually lotting against another.

All of this is a moot point now anyways with the lockout lifted for 1-5. Now it's as hard as getting gear in CT. But i totally agree with the cheese T2 enrage, my advice to a heals looking for gear is to create a 2 heal enrage group which is easily doable with 2 brds.

Need/Greed groups are great. It's simple, if you want stuff for the class you are playing the instance with join need group, if you want other stuff go greed. Both have their uses and as long as its clearly defined in PF and everyone agrees it's a great system.

[givemeraptors]

This couldn't be more untrue.

I know this is anecdotal evidence but I found it way easier to gear up my healer than my DPS. Faster queues helped too.

[subteraneanbird]

Or just talk it over with your group about what you need? Maybe do some bargaining. Communication is important. This is why I really like scholars in T2. I can pass on boots for them (since af+1 is better for me) and they can reciprocate by passing on the choker.

[Excalipoor]

I think it is troublesome that people trust strangers in PUG's to -NOT- hit the Need button during a Greed Party.

There is no honor among thieves.

That is why there are so many stories floating around about "that one guy that hit need and I didn't get my Allagan Tunic of #*@#(*! cry flail."

tl;dr ------- NEED EVERYTHING - TRUST NO ONE