Parry...

[MythToken]

Strength is a main stat. And if the argument is that parry isn't worth as much as DPS secondaries, then the same holds true for STR and VIT.

Especially concerning endgame, where you should have enough VIT from gear to give a large enough cushion.

And lets not forget the small benefit of increasing the amount parried by almost 1% by going STR.

[subteraneanbird]

For tanks your primary stat is VIT. You never trade VIT for anything if you can help it.

[MythToken]

Please read this thread, before making a comment like that.

[Skull_Angel]

This would also mean 30 Str is the way to go no?

No, Vit is not RNG based mitigation which is the whole argument behind parry, it is a static value which determines how much damage you can take. Str is considered to be close to equal to Vit when you are able to survive said target enemy's burst attack with enough remaining HP to allow for your healer(s) to attend to you.

[NightReach]

Once again STR or VIT depends on the situation and how geared you are, not to mention warrior benefits far more going full STR compared to PLDs due to damage scaling. Since T9 is clearable in i94ish it would probably be safe to assume once ure i111, you can sac some vit for more STR just for sake of speed. Though Ravensbeak hits like a truck twice so there is that.

The reason why Parry is bad is cuz it is a RNG stat and 70% of the time it is completely worthless, VIT is not the case like the previous guy stated.

[Remn]

I would never trade VIT for STR, as a Tank (unless I'm largely over gear the content). Just because DeT/Crit seem to be slightly better than Parry does not mean you want to throw away 30+ VIT for STR. unlike 2nd stat, Primary stat is always there, there no random element in it. going STR for lower content is ok tho ,

can we please goes back to 2ndary stat, debate now? xD
This thread had gotten pretty informative, really good read actually.

[subteraneanbird]

I have read this entire thread. I was here in it before you even. What we are discussing is SECONDARY stats, because the main school of thought currently is "stack parry" which doesn't really line up with how inconsistent parry is vs the gains you can see by stacking crit or det instead. The only time people have even mentioned trading VIT for any other stat is in accessories, and when OT during something like T6, where your eHP requirement is quite low and dps needs to be very high. And even then the losses aren't that huge.
Trading your 30 stat points for STR is huge. For example, that's more VIT than you get from an i110 helmet. Do also note that any amount of DPS won't help you if you aren't meeting the eHP needed for an encounter. Because at that point more VIT will help you regardless. What this thread is for is when you already have hit the VIT you need and then some. What determinants do you use for secondaries? That's the discussion at hand. Not what main stats your tank should be packing (because that's VIT, always). Your main job as a tank is to hold enemies and survive. Anything that directly hampers that is a bad move. Trading parry for other secondaries often won't hamper it. trading VIT for STR, especially as a MT, especially if you need that HP, will. Don't tell me to read this thread. Don't think you can be condescending to me. Your understanding of this discussion is really lacking if what you're getting out of it is "Oh so I can dump VIT no problem".

[SirTaint]

Acc > ilvl > VIT/STR > secondaries

~100 hit rate is the most important, enough eHP to survive is next, then stack STR, the worry about Det/Crit/Parry

Chances are if you are undergeared you will want max VIT and Parry just like the first t9 kill groups. They were trying to squeeze out every possible chance of survival. Once you start maxing out your ilvl you'll be branching off into different sets. Max parry set, max det/crit set, full str accessory set. Then use your set based off the encounter.

[bokchoykn]

That sounds kinda low, I wanna parse with you and your friend this week, because my FC uses Dragoon accessories in T8 Solo tank style, and I can hit 245 DPS on my Pally in Sword Oath without a Warrior on my target.
Maybe we can help each other out a bit. =)

Good luck tanking Turn 8 in Sword Oath. The 170 DPS was while tanking in Defiance and is actually pretty solid imho. Comparing Sword Oath DPS to Defiance DPS, of course his 170 will seem low.

[Remn]

solo tanking T8 w/ sword oath seem a bit unrealistic with my i95 PLD. with shield oath I take 3k ish from boss Laser and another 1k ish from his AA. that plus Dread add is really brutal on me xD. as of now, I'm barely survive boss laser + aa +Dread swing + AA. T_T

I usually pop Foresight + rampart + Convo + Sentinal/Bulwak (alternate these 2 for each dread) my 180 sec CD wont be up for 2nd dread if I pop it on the first 1 ;S
BTW, any1 know the HP pool of T8 boss? is it exactly 1 mil ?