But even patience won't get you anywhere if you're unlucky. That's not effort. That's just the gambler's fallacy. At least with chest drops you know it will drop something, even if it isn't something you can use, it'll probably go toward making someone in your group better or more versatile in terms of roles they can perform. Even when just doing FATEs on the side, it is massively demoralising when you do hours of FATEs and nothing drops. It's been 6 days since I've last seen an Atma, around 15-20 hours of doing FATEs that have yielded nothing useful. It's not the time taken that people are frustrated with, it's the sheer lack of measurable progress that happens when you combine non-content with RNG. I mean, people are comparably happier with the grind to reach Animus because even with the RNG elements like waiting for a specific FATE to spawn, it is still has measurable progress (enough myth for book, enough creatures killed, enough dungeons run, etc.)