SKill speed needs to change.

[Phaylis]

OK since they changed haste to skill speed/spell speed melee got shafted. Skill speed lower cool down is OK, but in long fight its is a debilitating stat not a dps boost. It allows melee to unload and burn our tp faster so in short fights is a dps boost. In long fights like raid or dungeon boss fights its a neutral stat cause once tp is gone we have to wait for it to rebuild to use. so we in affect add nothing and potentially depending on how the fight mechanic works can cause dps loss and wipe.

Skill Speeds needs to along with lower gcd needs to increase tp regen and shorten delay on auto attacks. I see a lot of skill speed on the new gear and with loss of determination and/or crit for increase in vit and armor since the lose of crit/det may not be compensated by the primary stat increase. At least spell speed can be an attractive stat for casters/healers, could be better if speed speed affect HoT and DoTs, but its a much better stat that skill speed.

Melee in general only will take an item with skill speed is if alternate has accuracy and we are over accuracy cap. Then its better than a stat that does nothing at all.

So recap det/crit always dps increase versus skill speed is a dps increase only in short fight and net neutral or dps a lose in long fights. Please either remove this stats and gives us back haste or rework it in a way were it is as beneficial as det and crit.

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

Totally agree.

[Tupsi]

Haste exists - All yoshi needs to do is get over it and let our mages cast Haste. Monsters and NPCs cast it no problem, so why not us? Haste has always been an integral spell in FF games lol - Heck even in Romancing SaGa games in a way.

[RyuDragnier]

Or they could just make it so skill speed also effects the cooldown of things not on the global cooldown. A faster Invigorate recharge would REALLY be nice.

[Edellis]

Or you could just pay attention to your TP bar and not waste it all during extended battles?

It really isn't that hard. It's a DPS increase based on time that you're in complete control of.

[AlphaDragoon]

Or you could just pay attention to your TP bar and not waste it all during extended battles?

It really isn't that hard. It's a DPS increase based on time that you're in complete control of.

Or you could get Determination and Critical Hit gear and do more damage overall.

That's the point, SS is pretty close to a useless stat. The DPS increase it provides is minimal, it makes you run out of TP more quickly no matter how well you manage it (by virtue of what it does), and the other two DPS increasing stats FAR outstrip it. Even Monks, who are designed to be a Skill Speed based Job, consider SS to be all but useless and stack DET/CRIT.

It needs a rework, IMO. Giving it increased TP regen would make it far more attractive, as well as (slight) increases in AA speed. If they chose to do an AA increase they should be careful though as Monks already have Greased Lightning which increases AA speed and further speed increases might unbalance them.

Or they could just make it so skill speed also effects the cooldown of things not on the global cooldown. A faster Invigorate recharge would REALLY be nice.

This also would be a good idea. Would alleviate the TP drain a bit as you would have faster access to Invigorate, as well as provide quicker access to the off GCD moves for more damage.

[Edellis]

Or you could get Determination and Critical Hit gear and do more damage overall.

That's the point, SS is pretty close to a useless stat. The DPS increase it provides is minimal, it makes you run out of TP more quickly no matter how well you manage it (by virtue of what it does), and the other two DPS increasing stats FAR outstrip it. Even Monks, who are designed to be a Skill Speed based Job, consider SS to be all but useless and stack DET/CRIT.

All it does is lower the GCD of your moves. It's completely pointless to compare it to Det or Critical Rate because you can't choose which you obtain over the other.


You gain the same amount of TP at the same rate no matter how fast you burn through it, which essentially means your overall damage-per-TP stays the same but your DPS obviously increases since you're able to shell more out at once. you're still in complete control of your TP bar, but it lets you utulize more of it faster. It has its uses, but i dont understand why people wish it did something different...it works exactly the way it should.



If Haste existed and theoretically lowered your GCD to 0.5 seconds, nobody would be able to dispute the beneficial possibilities of Skill Speed, regardless if your TP recovery rate stayed the same.

[saber_alter]

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it increases your initial dps, but it is TP reliant. Making skill-speed utterly useless once your part-way through a drawn out fight, and your starved for tp and invigorate is on cd. ask a bard for TP song? nope, healers need it to keep the tank alive. tp pots? nope, those are pvp only. has happened to me more than once, even with effective tp management. it doesn't affect your auto-attack, and the cooldowns of your skills and buffs either, whereas crit rate and determination do. in addition, skill speed scales worse than crit and determination.

[Edellis]

it increases your initial dps, but it is TP reliant. Making skill-speed utterly useless once your part-way through a drawn out fight, and your starved for tp and invigorate is on cd. ask a bard for TP song? nope, healers need it to keep the tank alive. tp pots? nope, those are pvp only. has happened to me more than once, even with effective tp management. it doesn't affect your auto-attack, and the cooldowns of your skills and buffs either, whereas crit rate and determination do. in addition, skill speed scales worse than crit and determination.

It doesn't increase your DAMAGE at all, it just ALLOWS you to decrease the time at which you deliver it. Your DPS is only increased if you use your skills as fast as you can. But if you run out of TP and get screwed during long battles its still your fault.

All of those problems can be managed by simply not spamming your skills so fast. I think there should probably be a visual effect on your icons that not only tell you when your ability is avaliable, but also the original 2.5 GCD cooldown timer so you wont burn through all your TP.

But your skills aren't using more TP, you're just using them faster. That problem you stated above is still 100% avoidable.



I play Bard, and I myself noticed the detrimental effects of not noticing that you are using skill faster than your TP is regenerating...it's just a simple fix of being self-aware of your abilities. It is not a crippling stat, it's an enabling stat.

[Raestloz]

It doesn't increase your DAMAGE at all, it just ALLOWS you to decrease the time at which you deliver it. Your DPS is only increased if you use your skills as fast as you can. But if you run out of TP and get screwed during long battles its still your fault.

Basically, you're saying that Increased Attack Frequency should be balanced with good TP management, which involves Reducing your Attack Frequency

You.... really don't see something wrong? At all?