Three Star Master Recipes (Difficulty)

[Castillan]

Except overmelded HQ is way better than myth, and while it's not easy to HQ them, it's not nearly as difficult as people make it out to be. People made these exact same arguments about Vanya and such back in 2.0, the only people who cared were the rich people and the progression raiders competing for world firsts where they need every bit of advantage as soon as possible.

In 2.0, most crafted i70 gear only cost 1.5-3x more in P-tomes than Darklight gear, and is easy to HQ, even if at the bare pre-requisites for Control/Craft. The story is quite different here, and to suggest otherwise borders on white-knighting.

[Lyrinn]

Either way, you need to spend at least five turns using up Durability just to finish the Synthesis (or Gamble using Rapid Synthesis.) Which greatly reduces your Byregot's Blessing effectiveness.

I don't really have any sympathy for anyone who thought using static rotations was going to work on these. And sure, Byregot's is less effective now but having that one skill be a free ride to HQ was stupid. Even with the reduced effectiveness, these really aren't that hard to HQ.

In 2.0, most crafted i70 gear only cost 1.5-3x more in P-tomes than Darklight gear

And most of the new crafts cost 1500 myth, which is 1.5x of body/pants and 3x of everything else minus accessories. If you include accessories, 2.0 was even more expensive.

easy to HQ, even if at the bare pre-requisites for Control/Craft.

lolno, HQing Vanya was not easy when most people didn't have penta-melded HQ AFs with mathcrafted rotations set out in stone. Or were you not around when Vanya was selling for a million?

Join Date Oct 2013

Oh, sorry, guess you weren't.

The story is quite different here, and to suggest otherwise borders on white-knighting.

I don't think that means what you think it means.

[Galactimus]

It's not easy to HQ them

These really aren't that hard to HQ.

I agree the 'free ride to HQ' was pretty silly; especially compared to what crafters went through in 1.0. But comparing 2.0 Vanya (100% HQ with normal mats) to 2.2 Three Stars is quite the stretch of the imagination. Yes, you can grab all HQ mats and get a pretty high percentage. But with NQ mats good luck getting to 30% HQ (on average.)

Or were you not around when Vanya was selling for a million?

Vanya was selling for 1mil because it required up to 27 Tome Mats per piece; which were priced at 40-50k each. NOT because it was difficult to HQ.

Is there something inherently wrong with needing to use HQ mats?

I'm just comparing the difficulty between two star recipes and three star recipes.

[Lyrinn]

Just answer this one question: is there something inherently wrong with needing to use HQ mats? Because back when the whole 100% HQ from NQ craze was starting, I thought it was silly that HQ mats were effectively useless. They're supposed to be High Quality for a reason.

[Castillan]

lolno, HQing Vanya was not easy when most people didn't have penta-melded HQ AFs with mathcrafted rotations set out in stone. Or were you not around when Vanya was selling for a million?

Join Date Oct 2013

Oh, sorry, guess you weren't.

My join date has nothing to do with the fact that HQ'ing Vanya is easy. I was able to do it without any over-melded crafting gear (let alone penta-meld, heck even had some free slots) and the basic CZ/IQ/SH2/HT/ToT spam method by using food to reach the minimum criteria, and still never failed out of about 30 items made like that. Sure, I had to use HQ base mats where possible, but it was NEVER hard.

Edit: Oh, and the price of something has (near) zero correlation to its difficulty to produce. Rarity vs demand affects price far more than difficulty.

[FJerome]

I don't really have any sympathy for anyone who thought using static rotations was going to work on these.

Have to agree with that, you shouldn't be able to be AFK while a macro crafts the hardest recipes in the game for you.

[Richiealvian]

Even my best effort doesn't always give me 100% HQ on the 3 stars. I think it's bad/good on its own reasons, haha

[Jinko]

I thnk they are trying to make it harder to 100% HQ's on 3 star recipes as it should be, it should be 50/50 on luck and skill as it is.

I am fine with this, it will actually make HQ items more rare and more sought after.

[Richiealvian]

As it is now, it's about 80-90% HQ though. I think it's not too bad

[MurakumoMillennium]

People saying it's easy to HQ new stuff + saying there's no set rotation = There actually is a set rotation. There will always be a set rotation.

But if they told you it, they wouldn't be making as much money, so there's that.