Are people forgetting the first relic grind?

[Ninix]

Yeah, except that Titan HM was actually challenging and enjoyable, whereas mindlessly grinding low level FATEs is neither of those.

Even when I was suffering through shitty group after shitty group in Titan HM as a freshly minted 50 at launch I was still having more fun inside the duty than I'd be having spamming Bio in FATE groups.

If anything, this is more casual in everything. You will get your new weapon faster than you beat Titan HM the first time (if you did that legitly).

This Atma grind will take anywhere from 25 (very low end) to 50 hours for a dedicated player to complete, depending on luck. It did not take the average person 40 hours of gameplay to kill Titan HM unless they were very bad or had absolutely awful luck with groups.

I was blocked on Titan for almost a week before clearing him and it was probably around 10 hours of play.